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Let's narrow this since we're talking about NEFC NH encroaching on SUSC NH territory and rankings of those teams. Show us the missing NEFC NH teams or teams that NEFC only put into gotsoccer for tournament points? If you don't have examples of this for NH then this is irrelevant.

I'm not naive about gotsoccer points and ranking and I understand exactly how it all works in the NEP and tournament ecosystem. Every club "trolls" for points if you can call it that, even SUSC. 1 PDA tournament is not proof that SUSC isn't concerned with rankings. The fact is there are plenty of ranked tournaments SUSC puts all of its teams in. SUSC isn't doing anything different than anyone else.

Further, everyone knows that GC rankings are not the end all be all, but the fact is they DO give you a fairly accurate picture of how good a team is, and if your Club's team or teams are consistently (that word is key) behind another's in rank it's almost always because your team just isn't as good. In my experience, anything consistently beyond 30-40 regional ranking points indicates a noticeable difference between the quality of the 2 teams on the soccer field.

Regardless, good luck with the claim that these NEFC NH teams aren't very good or that being on the ranking heals of SUSC in NH means nothing. The fact is, SUSC is widely known as a club that is a tier below clubs like NEFC/FC Stars, not only in professionalism, but in the level of teams and players they produce. And that was before the DA cheating! Give SUSC NH parents better options and watch how fast players and parents flee. They'll be driving away so fast down that farm road that they'll tip the cows!

So, you are ranking NEFC NH top teams against SUSC 2nd teams, correct?

The rest is personal opinion and won't get into a dlck measuring contest about it.

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NEFC is desperate? Puhlease. NEFC Nashua has been in place for like a year and most of their equivalent teams are already within a tournament or 2 win of besting SUSC equivalent teams in the rankings. The NEFC U13 Elite team is already ranked higher than the SUSC U13 NPL team. Also, DA teams are not listed ongotsoccer, so why bring that up? Since you did bring it up, one thing is for certain, those SUSC DA teams aren't worthy of polishing the boots of NEFC DA teams. By June of next year most of these NEFC teams will be ranked #1 in NH, which would make SUSC what? A "Bottom Feeder" Club? SUSC is a 3rd rate club and everyone but the cow tippers know it.

I thought NEFC and Nashua World Cup dissolved. Is that not true?

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So, you are ranking NEFC NH top teams against SUSC 2nd teams, correct?

The rest is personal opinion and won't get into a dlck measuring contest about it.

You can name teams anything you want (NPL for example) but that doesn't make the NPL team automatically better than an Elite team. A perfect example of this is how in the NEP, there is an NPL division and a Premiership division, and sometimes teams labelled as NPL and in the NPL Division, don't even belong in that division and lose to non NPL/Elite teams all of the time. Often the only difference between the team in the NPL vs. the team in the Premiership is that the team in the Premiership doesn't have to travel as much.

GC has ways of accounting for all this the naming measuring contest too. For example, when you put low ranked teams in a tournament it amounts to a small number of points for the winner, and that means the winner won't climb in the rankings by much...because they played crappy teams. How to climb in the rankings faster? Play better competition/higher ranked teams. If you put high ranked great teams in a tournament more points are given to the winner, which will cause them to rise in the rankings faster. Your rank is directly proportional to who you play. So if you are an NPL team that finishes at the bottom of the league or tournament then guess what? You're not that good! Your ranking speaks for itself.

How you place in the NEP at the end of the season and how many points you earn is directly proportional to the rankings of the teams that were in the Division as well. Again, this takes care of itself.

The only way ranking is skewed is if a club constantly puts its team in tournaments or NEP Divisions that are easy wins or easy 1st place finishes. In that case you can get a fake trump style rating. I don't know of ANY clubs that are doing this.

In the end your ranking tells a lot about who you are. You can name your team DA, NPL, ECNL, whatever, but it doesn't mean jack because in GC you're ultimately evaluated on who you play. If you're always winning, it means your too good and need to be moved up, which is what usually happens right? And if you're always losing, your ranking drops and your team doesn't belong where it's playing and should be relegated.

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You can name teams anything you want (NPL for example) but that doesn't make the NPL team automatically better than an Elite team. A perfect example of this is how in the NEP, there is an NPL division and a Premiership division, and sometimes teams labelled as NPL and in the NPL Division, don't even belong in that division and lose to non NPL/Elite teams all of the time. Often the only difference between the team in the NPL vs. the team in the Premiership is that the team in the Premiership doesn't have to travel as much.

GC has ways of accounting for all this the naming measuring contest too. For example, when you put low ranked teams in a tournament it amounts to a small number of points for the winner, and that means the winner won't climb in the rankings by much...because they played crappy teams. How to climb in the rankings faster? Play better competition/higher ranked teams. If you put high ranked great teams in a tournament more points are given to the winner, which will cause them to rise in the rankings faster. Your rank is directly proportional to who you play. So if you are an NPL team that finishes at the bottom of the league or tournament then guess what? You're not that good! Your ranking speaks for itself.

How you place in the NEP at the end of the season and how many points you earn is directly proportional to the rankings of the teams that were in the Division as well. Again, this takes care of itself.

The only way ranking is skewed is if a club constantly puts its team in tournaments or NEP Divisions that are easy wins or easy 1st place finishes. In that case you can get a fake trump style rating. I don't know of ANY clubs that are doing this.

In the end your ranking tells a lot about who you are. You can name your team DA, NPL, ECNL, whatever, but it doesn't mean jack because in GC you're ultimately evaluated on who you play. If you're always winning, it means your too good and need to be moved up, which is what usually happens right? And if you're always losing, your ranking drops and your team doesn't belong where it's playing and should be relegated.

You spent waaaay too much time on this. We all know this already. Not even sure what your point is?

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So, a statement has been made that NEFC is now the top team in NH and the proof is they have bypassed other club's second team in the GotSoccer rankings. I disagree, but also note it's impossible to prove other than historical.

Using the 2005 age group because I have a friend there and am familiar with many of the players of a few different teams and clubs, the 05 Seacoast team for much of last year had the NEP team ahead of NPL in the rankings, and nobody really close. Why? GotSoccer is accumulative. NPL hadn't been a team for more than a year, NEP was and accumulated points. The NEP players became the NPL team when a coach left to Stars in MA and took players with him last year.

The NEP team lived off the points accumulated by the players no longer there. Today, this year's NPL team is last year's NEP team (not very good) and the last year's NPL team is essentially their DA team (decent).

Those same teams played in a tournament last year. NPL team played up a year, and won. Got 0 points because they won in a level that was below (even though it was up a year). NEP team won their age bracket in the top level, and got points. How does that make sense?

(Yes, I realize that is confusing and while I have read it and re-read it a few times, still not sure it makes sense beyond my own skull).

In MA, the Stars ECNL teams in the 05 group are ranked 7th and 15th. Nobody would say either of those two teams are, at the absolute worst, lower than 5th. Quite possibly tied for 1st. But, that's what GotSoccer says.

Anyone who looks at GotSoccer as a way to say one team is better is a fool, because there is no common denominator.

If you want to argue NEFC is better than the teams eligible to play in the State Cup, I'd you'd have a good point. But if a NEFC players was truly special, they'd be in Mendon, MA.

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So, a statement has been made that NEFC is now the top team in NH and the proof is they have bypassed other club's second team in the GotSoccer rankings. I disagree, but also note it's impossible to prove other than historical.

Using the 2005 age group because I have a friend there and am familiar with many of the players of a few different teams and clubs, the 05 Seacoast team for much of last year had the NEP team ahead of NPL in the rankings, and nobody really close. Why? GotSoccer is accumulative. NPL hadn't been a team for more than a year, NEP was and accumulated points. The NEP players became the NPL team when a coach left to Stars in MA and took players with him last year.

The NEP team lived off the points accumulated by the players no longer there. Today, this year's NPL team is last year's NEP team (not very good) and the last year's NPL team is essentially their DA team (decent).

Those same teams played in a tournament last year. NPL team played up a year, and won. Got 0 points because they won in a level that was below (even though it was up a year). NEP team won their age bracket in the top level, and got points. How does that make sense?

(Yes, I realize that is confusing and while I have read it and re-read it a few times, still not sure it makes sense beyond my own skull).

In MA, the Stars ECNL teams in the 05 group are ranked 7th and 15th. Nobody would say either of those two teams are, at the absolute worst, lower than 5th. Quite possibly tied for 1st. But, that's what GotSoccer says.

Anyone who looks at GotSoccer as a way to say one team is better is a fool, because there is no common denominator.

If you want to argue NEFC is better than the teams eligible to play in the State Cup, I'd you'd have a good point. But if a NEFC players was truly special, they'd be in Mendon, MA.

Another nonsense post. Nobody cares. Back to the DA cheaters... at least that was mildly interesting.

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Another nonsense post. Nobody cares. Back to the DA cheaters... at least that was mildly interesting.

Who brought the fvckin' moderator in?

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Who brought the fvckin' moderator in?

Not a moderator, but these over the top long posts about GS rankings and NEP vs NPL vs Elite, etc are strange. Must of us all know the structure, we know that not all npl teams are better than an elite team, etc. Posts are just odd, unless your a parent of a u11 player or something? I’ll cut you a little slack if you’re new to this.

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Not a moderator, but these over the top long posts about GS rankings and NEP vs NPL vs Elite, etc are strange. Must of us all know the structure, we know that not all npl teams are better than an elite team, etc. Posts are just odd, unless your a parent of a u11 player or something? I’ll cut you a little slack if you’re new to this.

I don't need no slack, but thank you anyway. I tried to shoot the GS braggart down with a short replay, then a medium reply. So, I went for the War & Peace version so that maybe then it would sink in.

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So, a statement has been made that NEFC is now the top team in NH and the proof is they have bypassed other club's second team in the GotSoccer rankings. I disagree, but also note it's impossible to prove other than historical.

Using the 2005 age group because I have a friend there and am familiar with many of the players of a few different teams and clubs, the 05 Seacoast team for much of last year had the NEP team ahead of NPL in the rankings, and nobody really close. Why? GotSoccer is accumulative. NPL hadn't been a team for more than a year, NEP was and accumulated points. The NEP players became the NPL team when a coach left to Stars in MA and took players with him last year.

The NEP team lived off the points accumulated by the players no longer there. Today, this year's NPL team is last year's NEP team (not very good) and the last year's NPL team is essentially their DA team (decent).

Those same teams played in a tournament last year. NPL team played up a year, and won. Got 0 points because they won in a level that was below (even though it was up a year). NEP team won their age bracket in the top level, and got points. How does that make sense?

(Yes, I realize that is confusing and while I have read it and re-read it a few times, still not sure it makes sense beyond my own skull).

In MA, the Stars ECNL teams in the 05 group are ranked 7th and 15th. Nobody would say either of those two teams are, at the absolute worst, lower than 5th. Quite possibly tied for 1st. But, that's what GotSoccer says.

Anyone who looks at GotSoccer as a way to say one team is better is a fool, because there is no common denominator.

If you want to argue NEFC is better than the teams eligible to play in the State Cup, I'd you'd have a good point. But if a NEFC players was truly special, they'd be in Mendon, MA.

I'll respond to your 2nd example, because your first is definitely confusing and is more of an aberration.

If nobody would say that those FC Stars teams are ranked lower than 5th, and possibly tied for 1st...is GC really that far off when they have them ranked 7th or 15th? Not really. Everyone knows GC is not an exact science. Usually when the teams are in 30-40 regional ranking points of each other anything can happen. The rankings are a good barometer for comparing teams as long as you keep that in mind. Is #1 ranked team better than #15? No you cannot say that. But is #1 better than number 30 or 40? Usually yes.

That 1 NEFC 06 team is only 20 spots in front of SUSC 06 NPL. That isn't enough to say that they are better, but if that NEFC team were able to put another 20 points between them and that SUSC team you can say that they are likely better. That is all. So again LOL at NEFC NH all you want, but those teams are probably closer to SUSC than you think.

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LOL GotSoccer

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I see the SU DA cheaters have successfully changed the subject of this thread. Too bad its spreading to MA board now.

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I see the SU DA cheaters have successfully changed the subject of this thread. Too bad its spreading to MA board now.

No fool. Both subjects are tired.

Lemme guess. Drove 60 in the left lane on the way home right?

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No fool. Both subjects are tired.

Lemme guess. Drove 60 in the left lane on the way home right?

Oh I love the old “I guess you don’t speed” argument when defending cheating or rule breaking. So in your way of thinking there is no difference or levels of aggregiousness, so I guess if you are ok with breaking this DA rule, You are also OK speeding, but also OK cheating on your spouse and breaking your marriage vows? Heck, since we are not considering any differences, why not embezzle money from your company, lie on your resume, sell drugs, murder someone. Hey, it’s all the same in your way of thinking.

Fool

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I see the SU DA cheaters have successfully changed the subject of this thread. Too bad its spreading to MA board now.

Damn but OK see ya. Have fun don't forget write. Scratch that, don't write just stay your miserable self.