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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThe coaches make it clear how the process works. The collect the transcripts and most or all have a representative in admissions that assesses the student and labels the player as 1. Sure thing (can get in without the coach), 2. Minor help, 3. Moderate help, 4. Better be a top DAP player help, and 5. Don't even think about it. For some schools (e.g. MIT, Williams, Amherst), you won't get past 2 or 3. The admissions office might also give information on what the student needs to do to improve their status.
This is a well established process. Did soccer help the student get in? Absolutely! However, it is up to the student....perhaps even the coach..... to stay in thereafter and have a successful college career and move on. For division 3 players it doesn't usually include playing professional soccer. Therefore, the college admissions (the better ones) gauge the applicant on whether or not they can be a successful student at the school based on the transcripts given.
At the risk of sounding racist, if your kid is a very good (A-/B+) white kid from one of the 'nicer' (e.g. Newton) towns then they better have more than just good grades to get into decent division 3 schools.
players get selected).
Yes, that's kind of racist, in the butt-hurt "I'm scared whites will be a minority in my lifetime" sort of way. It's tough for any kid from inside Rt 128 to get into Ivy/NESCAC etc because there are so many of them competing. Then again, coming from a "W" town already stacked the odds in your favor. Or be a (white) kid from Idaho and you'll be "demographically" as favored as a METCO student.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI'm pretty sure no admissions committee factors in chances of going pro (in any sport). The chances are slim (2% get drafted into the NFL; even only 12% of Bama
players get selected).
Yes, that's kind of racist, in the butt-hurt "I'm scared whites will be a minority in my lifetime" sort of way. It's tough for any kid from inside Rt 128 to get into Ivy/NESCAC etc because there are so many of them competing. Then again, coming from a "W" town already stacked the odds in your favor. Or be a (white) kid from Idaho and you'll be "demographically" as favored as a METCO student.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAdmissions should be 100% blind concerning race. It would be the only fair way to compare potential students.
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Admissions should be 100% blind concerning race. It would be the only fair way to compare potential students.
Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYou either don’t understand the issue at all or you are a white supremacist. If you don’t like the idea of being a white supremacist, I highly recommend that you study this topic.
Your response is just plain stupid. You have no idea of the perspective of the prior poster. It has nothing to do with white supremacist at all. Fact is, if the Harvard admissions process were blind white Americans would be a minority. This is what the lawsuit of the Asian community is about. White Americans should be happy that admissions aren't blind otherwise, the Asian community would overwhelm the student body.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI'm pretty sure no admissions committee factors in chances of going pro (in any sport). The chances are slim (2% get drafted into the NFL; even only 12% of Bama
players get selected).
Yes, that's kind of racist, in the butt-hurt "I'm scared whites will be a minority in my lifetime" sort of way. It's tough for any kid from inside Rt 128 to get into Ivy/NESCAC etc because there are so many of them competing. Then again, coming from a "W" town already stacked the odds in your favor. Or be a (white) kid from Idaho and you'll be "demographically" as favored as a METCO student.
2. Including Connecticut.....
Tufts 7/28 New England
Middlebury 15/35 New England
Bowdoin 11/33 New England
Bates 14/31 New England
Amherst 4/25 New England
Williams 5/32
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Amherst and Williams are the outliers
Otherwise, New England Students do pretty well with NESCAC
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYour response is just plain stupid. You have no idea of the perspective of the prior poster. It has nothing to do with white supremacist at all. Fact is, if the Harvard admissions process were blind white Americans would be a minority. This is what the lawsuit of the Asian community is about. White Americans should be happy that admissions aren't blind otherwise, the Asian community would overwhelm the student body.
Numbers don't lie, whether SAT, ACT or GPA.
EC's are determining factors as well.
Race? It's not, nor should it be, a determination of success.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIf Asians are the most outstanding students then they should be admitted. If it's African-American students, admit them in droves.
Numbers don't lie, whether SAT, ACT or GPA.
EC's are determining factors as well.
Race? It's not, nor should it be, a determination of success.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIf Asians are the most outstanding students then they should be admitted. If it's African-American students, admit them in droves.
Numbers don't lie, whether SAT, ACT or GPA.
EC's are determining factors as well.
Race? It's not, nor should it be, a determination of success.
White supremacist scumbag.
To the two of you....this is funny.
but...yes, lets make the admissions blind. Actually, I love the idea and agree with the first poster. Unfortunately, for the first poster, and for American students, your scores have dropped (black, white...it doesn't matter) and the foreign student has the edge. Blind admissions might favor non-Americans.....well, not illegals (sorry second poster).
American students (white, black etc) are too busy being taught about social injustice instead of math, reading, writing, and history. They are too busy visiting mosques to learn about the 'oppressed' religion. Given how our education system has changed, the private education systems and tutor businesses have blossomed due to parents who recognize what has happened.
The second poster, who claims everyone is a white supremacist is supporting all the education changes and both are too deaf, dumb, and blind to recognize the decline.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostBecause I'm fine with Asians being admitted if their accomplishments warrant it?
You may want to look up the definition of "white supremacist."
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Post1. I am pretty sure that indicated that going pro is not a consideration. Does it happen from D3....sure....rarely.
2. Including Connecticut.....
Tufts 7/28 New England
Middlebury 15/35 New England
Bowdoin 11/33 New England
Bates 14/31 New England
Amherst 4/25 New England
Williams 5/32
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Amherst and Williams are the outliers
Otherwise, New England Students do pretty well with NESCAC
2) You've used men's soccer rosters as a proxy for the overall student population? That seems a bit spurious. Just saying.
Or how about, using those numbers: NESCAC schools have a lot of NE (greater Boston) applicants and students (duh). Getting into those schools from greater Boston is very competitive. Amherst and Williams have a higher national profile and can more successfully recruit/draw players/students from across the country. So if you're from the town of Wealthy, and are white, you're a dime a dozen. A very lucky, privileged one, but for many colleges, one of many entirely admittable candidates. Not b/c you're white, but because of the demographics of the colleges and your ZIP code. So maybe don't begrudge the first-generation college kid (who happens to be a person of color) getting a leg up in the process. You're already enjoying a massive head start.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Post1) NO admissions committee considers "going pro" a factor in any its process. At any level. You can find articles about how German and English clubs make vocational/educational training part of the curriculum. Actually, about how the Germans do, and recommend that the English do more b/c they all should recognize that most of the academy players won't be playing professionally for any sustained period of time. Even "successful" pros with a 10 year career have decades of "work" to pursue.
2) You've used men's soccer rosters as a proxy for the overall student population? That seems a bit spurious. Just saying.
Or how about, using those numbers: NESCAC schools have a lot of NE (greater Boston) applicants and students (duh). Getting into those schools from greater Boston is very competitive. Amherst and Williams have a higher national profile and can more successfully recruit/draw players/students from across the country. So if you're from the town of Wealthy, and are white, you're a dime a dozen. A very lucky, privileged one, but for many colleges, one of many entirely admittable candidates. Not b/c you're white, but because of the demographics of the colleges and your ZIP code. So maybe don't begrudge the first-generation college kid (who happens to be a person of color) getting a leg up in the process. You're already enjoying a massive head start.
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D1
Owen Schwartz, ?, Worcester Academy, Brown
Nick Awada, Bolts, Westford, Bryant
Jake Spaulding, NEFC, Pingree HS, Bryant
John Muckstadt, GPS, Dover Sherborn, Colgate
Eli Gould, Black Rock, NMH, Colgate
Nick Steed, Black Rock, Berkshire, Colgate
Galen Lewis, ?, Milton, Harvard
Duncan Sutherland, NEFC, Brooks, Harvard
Jack Ostrosky, Bolts, Rutland, Holy Cross
Jaren Suttles, Bolts, Springfield, Holy Cross
Prince Loney-Bailey, Revs, Cambridge, James Madison
Andrew White, Revs, Boxborough, Lehigh
Camden Blackburn, FC Mass, Ludlow, UMass
Shamar Rainford, FC Stars, BC High, UMass
Curtis Moore, Liverpool, Nauset, Merrimack
Shaine Mullaney, FC Stars, Wachusett, Merrimack
Christian Pulselli, Bolts, Pembroke, Michigan
Jon Sinclair, FA Euro, Berkshire, UNC
Jacques Baldwin, GPS, Brookline, Northeastern
Colby Hegarty, Bolts, Nipmuc, Northeastern
Deng Deng Kur, ?, Berkshire, Northwestern
Tyler Freitas, Revs, N Attleboro, UVM
Jeremy Verley, Bolts, Milton, UVA
Nicholas Berghold, Black Rock, Berkshire, UVA
D2
Brian Underhill, FC Stars, Lawrence Academy, St Anselms
Jackson Bukunt FC Stars, Nipmuc, St. Anselms
Kevin Sullivan, ?, Worcester Academy, St Michaels
D3
Declan Sung, Bolts, Newton, Amherst
Alex Kovacs, Bolts, St Johns, Bates
Jacob Iwowo, ?, Berkshire, Bates
Michael Webber, NEFC, Rivers, Bowdoin
Forrest Shimazu, Bolts, Needham, Brandeis
Cameron Emde-Gerdine, ?, Concord Carlisle, Clarkson*
Jack Marvel, Liverpool FC, Tabor, Conn College
Josh Gans, Bolts, Gann Academy, Emory
Will Poreda, Liverpool, Duxbury, Endicott
Justin D’Alessandro, FC Stars, Middlesex, Hamilton
Robbie Caron, ?, Framingham, Hobart
Minka Soumah, South Bronx, NMH, Kenyon
David McCrory, Black Rock, Berkshire, Kenyon
Tanner Gigliottti, FC Stars, Wachusett, MCLA
Graeme Logan, Worcester Academy, Pitzer
Michael McDougald, GPS, Cohassett, St Lawrence*
Jonah Johnson, Exeter, Milton, Swarthmore
James Michielli, GPS, Worcester Academy, Trinity
Bryce Visnick, NEFC, Beverley, Tufts
Rolando Rabines, NEFC, Phillips, Tufts
Witt Cadwalader, FC Stars, Rivers, Wash U
Avery Santano, Liverpool, Nauset, Wheaton
Colin Canniff, Liverpool, Silver Lake, WPI
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