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**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Why would Bolts release them for this showcase? Seriously, what would be the reasoning? Both Revs/Bolts are going to the showcase, right? Season is not over, right? My family is not in this college showcase situation yet, but why would a club be getting heat for not releasing a player so he could play for another club... Unless, Bolts team isn�t going? Is that the case? That would be the only reason where it may make sense. I�m probably missing something.

Didn't the Revs cut a bunch of players last week? Those players cannot play for US DA until August now.

**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

You cannot change teams as you please regardless of who releases whom. You can only switch teams in Jan and August in the US.

Ok, I'll bow out of the conversation then as I don't understand the DA system (admittedly). It seems strange to me that a player could be released from a DA club before a major showcase (I assume) and not be allowed to travel with the team they have played on all year. And if that is what happened, then an appeal should be granted, in my opinion. Very strange - or, part of the story is unknown to me.

**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Agreed, a couple of future Dean College players, at best.

Continued Bolts propaganda from coaches -- the players in question started a combined 40 games for the Bolts U17s this year to date before being booted and one was the second leading goal scorer - both were going to be core members of next year's U19s.

Bolts are sour that they didn't make playoffs at either U17 or U19, lost a number of key players, and didn't get all the recruits they thought would come.

In addition, facing a weaker schedule next year as they no longer appear to be scheduled against Atlantic MLS teams for 18/19 (no Red Bulls, Union, or DC United) - beginning of tiering....

**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Ok, I'll bow out of the conversation then as I don't understand the DA system (admittedly). It seems strange to me that a player could be released from a DA club before a major showcase (I assume) and not be allowed to travel with the team they have played on all year. And if that is what happened, then an appeal should be granted, in my opinion. Very strange - or, part of the story is unknown to me.

The DA system is not about development. Otherwise, they would recruit players with potential and give them the tools and training to actually develop.

The DA system is about big players, who can score goals. They just don't get it.

**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Ok, I'll bow out of the conversation then as I don't understand the DA system (admittedly). It seems strange to me that a player could be released from a DA club before a major showcase (I assume) and not be allowed to travel with the team they have played on all year. And if that is what happened, then an appeal should be granted, in my opinion. Very strange - or, part of the story is unknown to me.

Actually I think you can switch teams from Sept through April 6th. After April 6th, you are not eligible to be a full time roster player on another team -- i.e., go to Showcase in June. The issue here is likely that the two players in question did not sign their contracts and pay fees for 18/19 with the Bolts in mid-May meaning that they were not coming back next year. These players can only play in the showcase for the Bolts -- Bolts likely have booted them and will not allow them to play in the showcase as retribution for leaving next year. Could not play for the Revs in the Showcase/playoffs so this is not an issue of a release -- just an issue of the Bolts policy regarding these things...

**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 09:26 AM

Players can appeal to USSF. USSF should be happy that two good players are moving into MLS. Those are the types of players USSF cares about. It's bullsh*t to deprive kids of a huge showcase opportunity.

**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Continued Bolts propaganda from coaches -- the players in question started a combined 40 games for the Bolts U17s this year to date before being booted and one was the second leading goal scorer - both were going to be core members of next year's U19s.

Bolts are sour that they didn't make playoffs at either U17 or U19, lost a number of key players, and didn't get all the recruits they thought would come.

In addition, facing a weaker schedule next year as they no longer appear to be scheduled against Atlantic MLS teams for 18/19 (no Red Bulls, Union, or DC United) - beginning of tiering....

One had been cut when younger by Revs but now he's good enough? The other didn't score a goal this year.

**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Players can appeal to USSF. USSF should be happy that two good players are moving into MLS. Those are the types of players USSF cares about. It's bullsh*t to deprive kids of a huge showcase opportunity.

I wonder if there are a lot of cases like this out there. If so, USSF should make up a team of these players, those coming off of a full year in DA and have a contract signed with another DA team for the next year, and enter it into the year end showcase. It won't quite be the same as playing with a team they've gotten to know over the year, but at least they'll get a fair amount of playing time and can be seen by college coaches/scouts.

**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

One had been cut when younger by Revs but now he's good enough? The other didn't score a goal this year.

Sure, kids mature and develop -- just look at the Bolts U17 striker who was not even in DA last year but now has commitment to Michigan....

VV was right behind the striker in goals this year and coaches/parents considered him one of the top players - sort of crappy to throw a 16-17 yo kid under the bus just because you're pissed he left

DR was mainly a defender so of course limited goals

**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 10:40 AM

Rules are rules: FIFA rules

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Sure, kids mature and develop -- just look at the Bolts U17 striker who was not even in DA last year but now has commitment to Michigan....

VV was right behind the striker in goals this year and coaches/parents considered him one of the top players - sort of crappy to throw a 16-17 yo kid under the bus just because you're pissed he left

DR was mainly a defender so of course limited goals

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**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Sure, kids mature and develop -- just look at the Bolts U17 striker who was not even in DA last year but now has commitment to Michigan....

VV was right behind the striker in goals this year and coaches/parents considered him one of the top players - sort of crappy to throw a 16-17 yo kid under the bus just because you're pissed he left

DR was mainly a defender so of course limited goals

Stats gazing doesn't describe the entire package. The player who committed (verbally) to Michigan also had only 2 goals since March 2. Michigan has made a disastrous mistake on him. As far as VV goes, a me,me,me, player of colossal magnitude. DR is a non impact player as well. Revs are desperate.

**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Stats gazing doesn't describe the entire package. The player who committed (verbally) to Michigan also had only 2 goals since March 2. Michigan has made a disastrous mistake on him. As far as VV goes, a me,me,me, player of colossal magnitude. DR is a non impact player as well. Revs are desperate.

Michigan 1st year DA player is not a complete soccer player. Far from it, one attribute only, speed. No technical ability and can't beat a defender if his life depended on it.

**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Sure, kids mature and develop -- just look at the Bolts U17 striker who was not even in DA last year but now has commitment to Michigan....

VV was right behind the striker in goals this year and coaches/parents considered him one of the top players - sort of crappy to throw a 16-17 yo kid under the bus just because you're pissed he left

DR was mainly a defender so of course limited goals

A 20 goal scorer in the DA would warrant a NT camp call up or at the very least a 2001 NTC look. But it hasn't, and why? Because he doesn't have it. The other two you're talking about are marginal players. Good luck at the Revs where they only have a year to impress in a far worse environment.

**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Michigan 1st year DA player is not a complete soccer player. Far from it, one attribute only, speed. No technical ability and can't beat a defender if his life depended on it.

So exactly who did he beat 20 times if they weren't defenders?

**Unregistered** · 06-13-2018, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

A 20 goal scorer in the DA would warrant a NT camp call up or at the very least a 2001 NTC look. But it hasn't, and why? Because he doesn't have it. The other two you're talking about are marginal players. Good luck at the Revs where they only have a year to impress in a far worse environment.

Are the Bolts parents even crazier than the Revs�?