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    Clubs=business

    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Bingo. Major flaw in the system - are clubs supposed to be developing players for NT, or developing players for their own teams? As it is clubs have little incentive to do either because they don't "own" the player.
    Clubs=business

    for profit clubs are supposed to make money.
    non-profit clubs are supposed to break even and provide scholarships/ opportunity /employement

    A club in the US has no incentive to develop players for NT or pro only parents have that ambition and usually can only make it happen if they are tied to the club - owner, DOC, BOD, hi level coach

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Clubs=business

      for profit clubs are supposed to make money.
      non-profit clubs are supposed to break even and provide scholarships/ opportunity /employement

      A club in the US has no incentive to develop players for NT or pro only parents have that ambition and usually can only make it happen if they are tied to the club - owner, DOC, BOD, hi level coach
      DAP is a good experience for the kids, but this is a fundamental flaw. If a kid can play a year or two, get a sense for what the next level is and then see what happens (NT, D1 College,...). Don't get too caught up in making the Rev's

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Bernie Sanders would be happy with the way the Revs operate. They are the perfect Ma. soccer organization because they use a socialist format to run their academy program.

        A kid comes into the program with all the talent in the world. Let's use a numeric figure of '10' to describe his talent level. We're talking about a player who, if left on his own, would dribble thru many players time and time again and create countless chances and headaches for his opponents.

        Well the Revs take this player and tacitly say, let's take his '10' talent quotient and spread it around to others players making him look like a 7 and a few other players now look like 7's instead of 5's or 6's. Sounds cute and cuddly but at the end of the day the DAP is supposed to be producing the stars of the future. Not mediocre overall teams with cookie cutter players who are indistinguishable from each other.

        I would love to make this theoretical bet with whoever made the post I quoted. Pick an objective fan of the game and send him to some Revs academy games. Then ask him to pick the players who have spent time with the NT. He'll be left scratching his head.

        I have mentioned in another post that I have no one in Seacoast or Revs academy. But I went to the Seacoast -Revs U18 game dominated by Seacoast. In a minute you could pick the dominant Seacoast players (who 'somehow' do not get nods to the NT's), but you might as well be picking from a hat if you want to guess the Revs players (who I'd guess get invited due mostly to politics). If the Revs do in fact have these worthy players, the organization subjugates their skills and consequently the whole team suffers. And on another, much more important level, so does US soccer.

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          Very good point. Caio, now on loan from Internacional to Al Wasi, arguably one of the best players the state has ever produced, never played club. He honed his skills on Nantucket playing for a low level high school, town team, and in a mens summer league where he had the freedom to attack and create every time he touched the ball. According to a Sports Illustrated article he also played football and basketball.

          Imagine how much better he would be had the Revs coaches had a chance to limit his play to soccer and "develop" him "professionally"?

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            So much axe grinding. Stop worrying about a team your kid isn't on. Parents and kids will find their own way. Take a deep breath and enjoy the weather we're having.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Bernie Sanders would be happy with the way the Revs operate. They are the perfect Ma. soccer organization because they use a socialist format to run their academy program.

              A kid comes into the program with all the talent in the world. Let's use a numeric figure of '10' to describe his talent level. We're talking about a player who, if left on his own, would dribble thru many players time and time again and create countless chances and headaches for his opponents.

              Well the Revs take this player and tacitly say, let's take his '10' talent quotient and spread it around to others players making him look like a 7 and a few other players now look like 7's instead of 5's or 6's. Sounds cute and cuddly but at the end of the day the DAP is supposed to be producing the stars of the future. Not mediocre overall teams with cookie cutter players who are indistinguishable from each other.

              I would love to make this theoretical bet with whoever made the post I quoted. Pick an objective fan of the game and send him to some Revs academy games. Then ask him to pick the players who have spent time with the NT. He'll be left scratching his head.

              I have mentioned in another post that I have no one in Seacoast or Revs academy. But I went to the Seacoast -Revs U18 game dominated by Seacoast. In a minute you could pick the dominant Seacoast players (who 'somehow' do not get nods to the NT's), but you might as well be picking from a hat if you want to guess the Revs players (who I'd guess get invited due mostly to politics). If the Revs do in fact have these worthy players, the organization subjugates their skills and consequently the whole team suffers. And on another, much more important level, so does US soccer.
              4 of the Revs NT past invites were 99's playing up that day. Which Seacoast 99's were playing up for the 18's that deserve NT recognition? Playing the entire 2nd half with 10 players in the back is hardly domination, however Seacoast was the better team on the day and deserved the win.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                I have mentioned in another post that I have no one in Seacoast or Revs academy. But I went to the Seacoast -Revs U18 game dominated by Seacoast. In a minute you could pick the dominant Seacoast players (who 'somehow' do not get nods to the NT's), but you might as well be picking from a hat if you want to guess the Revs players (who I'd guess get invited due mostly to politics). If the Revs do in fact have these worthy players, the organization subjugates their skills and consequently the whole team suffers. And on another, much more important level, so does US soccer.
                You do realize that these kids are scouted well before any invites? And unless you are a NT scout yourself I don't think we can rely on your ability to assess players. Leave that to people who actually know what they're doing. What were doing at a game where you have no players playing anyway?

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  You do realize that these kids are scouted well before any invites? And unless you are a NT scout yourself I don't think we can rely on your ability to assess players. Leave that to people who actually know what they're doing. What were doing at a game where you have no players playing anyway?

                  We're talking about a U18 MLS academy (pinnacle of amateur US soccer) game that is close by and free to attend and you ask why I would go. Have you ever considered the concept of being a fan of the game?

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    We're talking about a U18 MLS academy (pinnacle of amateur US soccer) game that is close by and free to attend and you ask why I would go. Have you ever considered the concept of being a fan of the game?
                    The concept of actually liking the game, not just carting kids around in the SUV, is lost on some...

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      We're talking about a U18 MLS academy (pinnacle of amateur US soccer) game that is close by and free to attend and you ask why I would go. Have you ever considered the concept of being a fan of the game?
                      i am a huge fan, and want to see the game improve. what currently passes for development and coaching is stifling individual talent. seems appropriate to discuss that on a soccer forum...

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        i am a huge fan, and want to see the game improve. what currently passes for development and coaching is stifling individual talent. seems appropriate to discuss that on a soccer forum...
                        On A soccer forum, just not THIS soccer forum.......

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                          true. good point.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            i am a huge fan, and want to see the game improve. what currently passes for development and coaching is stifling individual talent. seems appropriate to discuss that on a soccer forum...
                            Enough.

                            Having kids with ample technical skill level to make the revs means they can now work on strategy. This will mean limiting their very childish over dribbling in games especially when consistently losing the ball. They need to work on strategic passing, give and go, crossing, switching the field.

                            Save the flair for exercises, not compromise for the team.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Enough.

                              Having kids with ample technical skill level to make the revs means they can now work on strategy. This will mean limiting their very childish over dribbling in games especially when consistently losing the ball. They need to work on strategic passing, give and go, crossing, switching the field.

                              Save the flair for exercises, not compromise for the team.
                              Good post. Revs are no different from any other club although much higher expectations and skill level and a much lower level for the "watch me" nonsense. Some of the new parents are in for quite a shock and are dead wrong if they think they have some leverage.

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                                For the "fan" of the game I hope you went and saw the U18 Revs vs. Montreal this past weekend. Once again, you would have seen Revs coaching and development on display. The Montreal team played from the back and through the midfield controlling the ball. They patiently worked the ball up the field and took advantage of Rev players pressing too high and also Revs players inability to hold the ball. For some reason the two Canadian academies are producing players and playing a style that one would expect from academies like the Revs. The Rev team tried playing over the top but had no ability to actually hold and move the ball down the field. After 4 years of training / playing this is pathetic.

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