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You are correct. Ironically, DAP is a dead end to development. Get you looked at and maybe into a school, but at a crucial time in players lives it takes away the freedom and creativity necessary to develop into a pro level player.

There is a gapping hole past age 18 - college (where "development" isn't part of the vocabulary) try your hand abroad, do some lousy sub-minor league.

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There is a gapping hole past age 18 - college (where "development" isn't part of the vocabulary) try your hand abroad, do some lousy sub-minor league.

Right, it's not DAP that is the dead end, but college soccer. Many players with good potential go in, but very few come out still looking like they have good potential.

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No one ever said it's DA or HS - it's DA vs HS + high level club. No one can do just HS except to hope for very low level college programs

Even the OP agreed DA is the fast track. You have to yet to admit it's not the only way

Not even HS + club . Not relevant to D1 recruiters. It's all DAP with a few exceptions. In other States, (other than MA), ODP is still a player. So possibly Regional player pool selections etc.. maybe an ID2 outlier. You better have led the league in scoring in all four years and led in other associated stats to have a D1 program come down to look at you at a local prep or high school. ISL soccer players sometimes are ushered into D1 soccer programs primarily because of their academic well roundedness or their ethnic backgrounds.

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There is a gapping hole past age 18 - college (where "development" isn't part of the vocabulary) try your hand abroad, do some lousy sub-minor league.

The USL is changing the landscape on that but accept the fact that in this country, sports and education are tied in together. Won't change overnight. On the other hand, the NCAA needs to make some drastic changes to align itself with the pro development track.

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Not even HS + club . Not relevant to D1 recruiters. It's all DAP with a few exceptions. In other States, (other than MA), ODP is still a player. So possibly Regional player pool selections etc.. maybe an ID2 outlier. You better have led the league in scoring in all four years and led in other associated stats to have a D1 program come down to look at you at a local prep or high school. ISL soccer players sometimes are ushered into D1 soccer programs primarily because of their academic well roundedness or their ethnic backgrounds.

You know what every college coach is doing? You're quite magical.

My non DA kid (high quality club) is committed to a D1 program - not top 25 but a great school and good soccer program that is a good fit for him. During the process he met many other kids like himself. He will sign his letter in February. Boom. Mic drop.

ps if you think I would ever dare identify him on TS you'd have to be high

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You know what every college coach is doing? You're quite magical.

My non DA kid (high quality club) is committed to a D1 program - not top 25 but a great school and good soccer program that is a good fit for him. During the process he met many other kids like himself. He will sign his letter in February. Boom. Mic drop.

ps if you think I would ever dare identify him on TS you'd have to be high

Not sure who you are arguing with. If you look at the 2016 list it's obvious some non-DAP boys will play D1. Look at the top 150 list, not a single non-DAP player. Anyone who has followed this knows that trend will accelerate, gut leagues like NPL and the gap will continue to widen.

Boom. Mic drop.

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If nobody is holding a mic any longer, will you just STFU now?

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You know what every college coach is doing? You're quite magical.

My non DA kid (high quality club) is committed to a D1 program - not top 25 but a great school and good soccer program that is a good fit for him. During the process he met many other kids like himself. He will sign his letter in February. Boom. Mic drop.

ps if you think I would ever dare identify him on TS you'd have to be high

If a previous poster had the numbers right (6000 D1 spots, 1000 DAP graduates each year), then it's quite obvious that D1 spots will need to be filled with US non-DAP players and international players. However, I'd bet that most of the top programs are looking at the DAP and international players first, then fill in the roster with the non-DAP kids. That just means more DAP kids will get into their top choices for schools, whereas non-DAP kids may need to move down further on their wish list, but can still play for a D1 school. I'm sure this varies region to region, as some DAP conferences have much stronger competition and overall player quality than others.

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If a previous poster had the numbers right (6000 D1 spots, 1000 DAP graduates each year), then it's quite obvious that D1 spots will need to be filled with US non-DAP players and international players. However, I'd bet that most of the top programs are looking at the DAP and international players first, then fill in the roster with the non-DAP kids. That just means more DAP kids will get into their top choices for schools, whereas non-DAP kids may need to move down further on their wish list, but can still play for a D1 school. I'm sure this varies region to region, as some DAP conferences have much stronger competition and overall player quality than others.

That is exactly what some are saying - plenty of D1 opportunities for non DA players but it most likely won't be a top D1 program. I totally agree and it isn't hard to prove the point with statistics or even looking at college rosters and where players came from. But some yahoo keeps making it sound like it's an impossible scenario when quite clearly it is not.

Also parents and players should keep that in mind when deciding on DA - what are the long term goals and the likelihood of achieving them? DA - especially on a good MLS team - is great for highly skilled starters, maybe through roster #14. Beyond that, and particularly at non DA clubs (some of which just aren't that good) it's a trickier choice. For plenty of players a good club and decent HS experience may be a smoother and happier choice to make. If you're not a starter in DA the likelihood of making a top D1 program is slim to none. But if you're ok with playing at a lower level or certainly playing D2 or D3 then explore all your options before you limit yourself.

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If a previous poster had the numbers right (6000 D1 spots, 1000 DAP graduates each year), then it's quite obvious that D1 spots will need to be filled with US non-DAP players and international players. However, I'd bet that most of the top programs are looking at the DAP and international players first, then fill in the roster with the non-DAP kids. That just means more DAP kids will get into their top choices for schools, whereas non-DAP kids may need to move down further on their wish list, but can still play for a D1 school. I'm sure this varies region to region, as some DAP conferences have much stronger competition and overall player quality than others.

Not the OP but that is about right - college spots are easily proven. # DA players graduating each year might be slightly higher because squads tend to be heavy on the older players. However, as the OP said not all those players will play in college or play D1 (again, plenty of evidence of that) and a few won't play at all.

Add in the likelihood of getting good PT all 4 years (and there are multiple threads on this site proving your odds are not great)...

http://scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html

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If nobody is holding a mic any longer, will you just STFU now?

Best post on this thread!!!

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You know what every college coach is doing? You're quite magical.

My non DA kid (high quality club) is committed to a D1 program - not top 25 but a great school and good soccer program that is a good fit for him. During the process he met many other kids like himself. He will sign his letter in February. Boom. Mic drop.

ps if you think I would ever dare identify him on TS you'd have to be high

You won't be hard to identify. Looking forward to figuring out who you are in Feb.

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You won't be hard to identify. Looking forward to figuring out who you are in Feb.

Poster didn't say if his kid played prep school (big factor) or if he's even from MA (we get CT lurkers). But if you look at last year's MA list

Adam French-NEFC-St Johns Shrews-BC
Brandon Girard-NEFC-Philips Andover-BC
Jack Bacon-NEFC-Pomfret-BC
Jamie Rosiello-Pioneers-Pittsfield-BU
Jerry Ozor-GPS- Milton Academy - BU
Trevor Lyne-Suffield Academy-Bryant
Diego Vargas-Cushing Academy-Campbell
Frantzdy Pierrot-transfer-Northeastern-Coastal Carolina
Jacob Harris-Rivers-Colgate
Alex Botazzi-Benfica United-Worcester Academy-UConn
Mutaya Mwape-Manhattan SC-Berkshire-UConn
Zach Kalk-Vaughn Soccer Club-Berkshire-Dartmouth
Nicholas Ainscough-Bolts-Canton-Delaware
John Doran-FC Bolts Celtic-Canton-Duke
Ifunanychi Achara-Chicago Magic-Berkshire-Georgetown
Will Desautels-Nordic SC-NMH-George Washington
Bobby Hurstak-FC Stars-Lincoln-Sudbury-Holy Cross
Adam Bramson-GPS-Milton Academy-Lafayette
Luca Levee-GPS-Milton Academy-Maryland
Ceasar Adim-SF Vikings-Brooks-UMass
Donnie Igo-FC Blazers-Needham-UMass
Andrew Barrowman-Revs-Marshfield-UMass
Christian LaBeck-Bolts-BC High-UMass
Ibrahim Na-Aata-Nor'Easter-Durfee-UMass
Luis Carvalho-Brockton-UMass
Jordan Howard-Medford-UMass
Bill Sinibaldi-Revs-Plaistow-UML
Joe Kennett-NEFC-King Philip-UML
Ben Nicholas-Transfer-UConn-Navy
Bryant Nardizzi-Revs-Framingham-NC State
John Wilkins-Revs-Natick-PC
Imran Hayatu-Deen-Western United-Williston-Syracuse
Ben Waithe-Revs-Plymouth-URI
Nicolas Dutil-FC Stars-Cushing Academy-U Wisc Madison
Alejandro Estrelles Hernanz-FC Stars-Cushing Academy-U Wisc Madison
David Price-transfer-High Point-UVM*
Aaron James-Revs-UVA
Max Diamond-Revs-UVA
Miguel Yuste-Manhattan PSG-NMH-Yale

And this is just a MA list (where prep school is much more common than in some parts of the country). Looking at the same list for D3's you'll see plenty of Bolts players playing D3. Revs get more D1s. This seems to be increasingly common - bigger splits between MLS players and non. If your kid is non MLS and D3 bound is giving up HS/other sports worth it? I wouldn't be surprised if girls in GDA drop back to HS more often because their earlier recruiting will make that easier to do.

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Poster didn't say if his kid played prep school (big factor) or if he's even from MA (we get CT lurkers). But if you look at last year's MA list

Adam French-NEFC-St Johns Shrews-BC
Brandon Girard-NEFC-Philips Andover-BC
Jack Bacon-NEFC-Pomfret-BC
Jamie Rosiello-Pioneers-Pittsfield-BU
Jerry Ozor-GPS- Milton Academy - BU
Trevor Lyne-Suffield Academy-Bryant
Diego Vargas-Cushing Academy-Campbell
Frantzdy Pierrot-transfer-Northeastern-Coastal Carolina
Jacob Harris-Rivers-Colgate
Alex Botazzi-Benfica United-Worcester Academy-UConn
Mutaya Mwape-Manhattan SC-Berkshire-UConn
Zach Kalk-Vaughn Soccer Club-Berkshire-Dartmouth
Nicholas Ainscough-Bolts-Canton-Delaware
John Doran-FC Bolts Celtic-Canton-Duke
Ifunanychi Achara-Chicago Magic-Berkshire-Georgetown
Will Desautels-Nordic SC-NMH-George Washington
Bobby Hurstak-FC Stars-Lincoln-Sudbury-Holy Cross
Adam Bramson-GPS-Milton Academy-Lafayette
Luca Levee-GPS-Milton Academy-Maryland
Ceasar Adim-SF Vikings-Brooks-UMass
Donnie Igo-FC Blazers-Needham-UMass
Andrew Barrowman-Revs-Marshfield-UMass
Christian LaBeck-Bolts-BC High-UMass
Ibrahim Na-Aata-Nor'Easter-Durfee-UMass
Luis Carvalho-Brockton-UMass
Jordan Howard-Medford-UMass
Bill Sinibaldi-Revs-Plaistow-UML
Joe Kennett-NEFC-King Philip-UML
Ben Nicholas-Transfer-UConn-Navy
Bryant Nardizzi-Revs-Framingham-NC State
John Wilkins-Revs-Natick-PC
Imran Hayatu-Deen-Western United-Williston-Syracuse
Ben Waithe-Revs-Plymouth-URI
Nicolas Dutil-FC Stars-Cushing Academy-U Wisc Madison
Alejandro Estrelles Hernanz-FC Stars-Cushing Academy-U Wisc Madison
David Price-transfer-High Point-UVM*
Aaron James-Revs-UVA
Max Diamond-Revs-UVA
Miguel Yuste-Manhattan PSG-NMH-Yale

And this is just a MA list (where prep school is much more common than in some parts of the country). Looking at the same list for D3's you'll see plenty of Bolts players playing D3. Revs get more D1s. This seems to be increasingly common - bigger splits between MLS players and non. If your kid is non MLS and D3 bound is giving up HS/other sports worth it? I wouldn't be surprised if girls in GDA drop back to HS more often because their earlier recruiting will make that easier to do.

But when you back out all the DA kids and the top D1 programs it won't leave many parents/clubs posting about that class of player in Feb of next year. I look forward to it.

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But when you back out all the DA kids and the top D1 programs it won't leave many parents/clubs posting about that class of player in Feb of next year. I look forward to it.

Maybe you should find something else to make you happy besides those stats? This is weird