2014-2015 Boys U12 Best Teams

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From your source...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_I_(NCAA)#Overview

D1 Scholarships PER TEAM (not per year)... 9.9 for D1 mens' soccer. Not every D1 school gives athletic scholarships for mens' soccer. (And if you think I'm wrong, the football number of 85 per TEAM is also correct. D1 football teams don't carry 380 players.)

If you give 9.9 full rides to a team in year one, you can't give any in years two through four.
So to repeat myself... an average of 2.4 full rides per year, per school, max.

2.4 full rides x 204 total teams = ~280 full-rides per year in all of D1... max.

You seem to be having a really hard time with the divided total scholarships and other financial support. It's really not that complicated. Nice that you figured out how to use Google, try next time *before* posting completely innacurate information.

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From your source...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_I_(NCAA)#Overview

D1 Scholarships PER TEAM (not per year)... 9.9 for D1 mens' soccer. Not every D1 school gives athletic scholarships for mens' soccer. (And if you think I'm wrong, the football number of 85 per TEAM is also correct. D1 football teams don't carry 380 players.)

If you give 9.9 full rides to a team in year one, you can't give any in years two through four.
So to repeat myself... an average of 2.4 full rides per year, per school, max.

2.4 full rides x 204 total teams = ~280 full-rides per year in all of D1... max.

He's right, it's 9.9 per team (or an average of 2.4 per year) - directly from the NCAA Division 1 Manual...

15.5.3.1.1 Men’s Sports. There shall be a limit on the value (equivalency) of financial aid awards (per Bylaw 15.02.4.2) that an institution may provide in any academic year to counters in the following men’s sports: (Revised: 1/10/91, 1/10/92, 1/16/93 effective 8/1/93, 4/26/07 effective 8/1/08)

Cross Country/
Track and Field ......... 12.6
Fencing.............................. 4.5
Golf................................... 4.5
Gymnastics........................ 6.3
Lacrosse........................... 12.6
Rifle................................... 3.6
Skiing ................................ 6.3
Soccer................................ 9.9
Swimming and Diving....... 9.9
Tennis................................ 4.5
Volleyball........................... 4.5
Water Polo......................... 4.5
Wrestling ........................... 9.9

So if you have 9.9 awarded to "counters", and 1.0 "counters" graduate, you can add 1.0 scholarships that next year.

You have a better chance of getting an XC or track scholarship.

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You seem to be having a really hard time with the divided total scholarships and other financial support. It's really not that complicated. Nice that you figured out how to use Google, try next time *before* posting completely innacurate information.

Can you please explain what part of my responses has been inaccurate (except for initially saying 2 per year, and now moving that to 2.4)?

This is a fact: A D1 mens soccer team may carry the equivalent of 9.9 full scholarships per TEAM.
This is a reasonable assumption: If you award mens soccer scholarships on a reasonably consistent basis each year, you will likely graduate ~2.4 full-rides out of the program each year. Thus (drumroll) you have ~2.4 full-rides to award to incoming (or currently rostered) players each year.
That is - assuming your school offers full-rides for mens soccer, which is not the case at all schools.

Exactly what part of that is incorrect?

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Can you please explain what part of my responses has been inaccurate (except for initially saying 2 per year, and now moving that to 2.4)?

This is a fact: A D1 mens soccer team may carry the equivalent of 9.9 full scholarships per TEAM.
This is a reasonable assumption: If you award mens soccer scholarships on a reasonably consistent basis each year, you will likely graduate ~2.4 full-rides out of the program each year. Thus (drumroll) you have ~2.4 full-rides to award to incoming (or currently rostered) players each year.
That is - assuming your school offers full-rides for mens soccer, which is not the case at all schools.

Exactly what part of that is incorrect?

It depends on the coach, the atmosphere of the school, how much money goes into football, etc. If a school wants to spend money on soccer for a couple of years, then they offer more scholarships. If they cut back and decide to focus on track & field, then they push money into those teams. If a soccer coach can convince the board that he needs a certain 5 incoming players and that they will be a winning team the year of the next world cup, which brings visibility to the school, he will get his scholarships. It cycles for every school. If your kid is a highly talented soccer player and has excellent grades, he can get get a combination of financial aid from various sources. The key is having multiple offers and one coach who is dying to have your kid on his team.

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It depends on the coach, the atmosphere of the school, how much money goes into football, etc. If a school wants to spend money on soccer for a couple of years, then they offer more scholarships. If they cut back and decide to focus on track & field, then they push money into those teams. If a soccer coach can convince the board that he needs a certain 5 incoming players and that they will be a winning team the year of the next world cup, which brings visibility to the school, he will get his scholarships. It cycles for every school. If your kid is a highly talented soccer player and has excellent grades, he can get get a combination of financial aid from various sources. The key is having multiple offers and one coach who is dying to have your kid on his team.

This is not entirely accurate. The 9.9 NCAA limit is a hard limit, no amount of pushing can circumvent that. And most programs leave to the coach to figure out how to divide it up and when, this isn't variable whether they get it or not. The variable part is the non soccer scholarships, financial aid package which can be considerable. The Ivies for example, don't offer any athletic scholarships, but you don't pay a penny.

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It depends on the coach, the atmosphere of the school, how much money goes into football, etc. If a school wants to spend money on soccer for a couple of years, then they offer more scholarships. If they cut back and decide to focus on track & field, then they push money into those teams. If a soccer coach can convince the board that he needs a certain 5 incoming players and that they will be a winning team the year of the next world cup, which brings visibility to the school, he will get his scholarships. It cycles for every school. If your kid is a highly talented soccer player and has excellent grades, he can get get a combination of financial aid from various sources. The key is having multiple offers and one coach who is dying to have your kid on his team.

I'm not talking about "other financial aid" and never was... that is a WHOLE different thing that is impossible to quantify.

The scholarship limit per team / per school isn't an aggregated thing across every sport. If you have 9.9 full-rides, graduate two full-ride equivalents, and you want to offer five new full-rides you simply can't.

The topic remains about full-rides, not "ways to go to college for nothing using a combination of athletic, academic, grant, and financial aid".


While waiting to be told what part of my math has been wrong... I remind everyone that this is a U12 thread...! Relax about the full-ride garbage.

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I'm not talking about "other financial aid" and never was... that is a WHOLE different thing that is impossible to quantify.

The scholarship limit per team / per school isn't an aggregated thing across every sport. If you have 9.9 full-rides, graduate two full-ride equivalents, and you want to offer five new full-rides you simply can't.

The topic remains about full-rides, not "ways to go to college for nothing using a combination of athletic, academic, grant, and financial aid".


While waiting to be told what part of my math has been wrong... I remind everyone that this is a U12 thread...! Relax about the full-ride garbage.

You still don't get it. The other financial aid is offered precisely because they excell in soccer, it's a way of circumventing the 9.9 limit. The total aid package for Div 1 is much higher than you think. You really should talk to someone who has been through this athletic scholarship process.

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I bring you exhibit A:
"the majority of these boys will without a doubt play Division 1 soccer and be given full rides"

Let's break it down:
"The Valeo U12 team has several players with God given natural talent. A gift if you will." - Being tall is a gift, soccer is an accumulation of learned skills.
"The majority of these boys will without a doubt play Division 1 soccer and be given full rides." - Majority = more than half... so nine D1 full rides seven years from now on the roster? Whole starting team, maybe?
"I am a parent of one of them, and he's a fantastic player himself who plays with team mates of equal ability." - Anyone else have questions if this is a healthy parent-athlete relationship?
"I don not know of many teams that play like them, granted I have not seen many teams play, but they are the best I have seen so far." - I'm sure this guy's kid didn't start playing a month ago, however, this version of this U12 Valeo team has played only eleven games.
"They will only get better if that is even possible." - Do you doubt that they can continue to improve? That's an odd twist on the strong belief in player development. Are you suggesting they are D1-ready right now?
"BTW, i see at least 4 players going pro, either in MLS or even in Europe and I am not exagerating on this." - This comment laughs at itself.


This may actually be the best single post I've seen here.

Do you realize you are quoting a troll post? The post you are quoting was totally fictional. And now you have a huge fish hook stuck in your arse.

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You still don't get it. The other financial aid is offered precisely because they excell in soccer, it's a way of circumventing the 9.9 limit. The total aid package for Div 1 is much higher than you think. You really should talk to someone who has been through this athletic scholarship process.

I was a D1 athlete who got an "academic" scholarship to cover part of my tuition, so I'm pretty sure I don't need to check with anybody.

The argument you're making is that there are a limitless amount of "scholarships" by circumventing the scholarship rules - and that's not true.

Directly from the D1 rules:
"Once a student becomes a counter, the institution shall count all institutional aid (per Bylaw 15.02.4.2) received for room, board, tuition and fees, and books up to the value of a full grant-in-aid. "


Again, U12 thread

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Do you realize you are quoting a troll post? The post you are quoting was totally fictional. And now you have a huge fish hook stuck in your arse.

How do YOU know it's a troll post?
V parents never speak incredibly highly about their players?

I don't have anything anywhere... except a huge smile on my face when I read all this stuff!

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How do YOU know it's a troll post?
V parents never speak incredibly highly about their players?

I don't have anything anywhere... except a huge smile on my face when I read all this stuff!

If you can't figure out a troll post then maybe you should stick with print media.

BTW -- don't curious "smile on your face" with the crack of your arse

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You still don't get it. The other financial aid is offered precisely because they excell in soccer, it's a way of circumventing the 9.9 limit. The total aid package for Div 1 is much higher than you think. You really should talk to someone who has been through this athletic scholarship process.

Fact- there will be no full rides for the Valeo babies to any big D 1 school. If any of the college coaches are reading this thread they are ****in laughing their asses off at the idiot Valeo parents.

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Fact- there will be no full rides for the Valeo babies to any big D 1 school. If any of the college coaches are reading this thread they are ****in laughing their asses off at the idiot Valeo parents.

Silly you.

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My son played against some of them when they were with MPS. Then he played against them when they were with NU. Then he played against them last year when they were merged with Valeo.

No BS. You can choose what you want to believe.

Not only are they good, they are self-driven and single sport focused. You can argue whether that is good or not but you really can not take away their skills.

To me the open question is can they stay the course. There are numerous obstacles that can distract or derail ones potential so I am not saying that they are a lock into D1. I am saying they clearly have D1 potential. No question.

Are you suggesting that the greatest players in MA were not 'developed' at Valeo, but rather at MPS? Hmm - Revs rosters would seem to support your case.

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I have been a Valeo parent for 4 years. I love the club, the coaches, and the fun but hard-working atmosphere at practice, but I don't think it is particularly different from other clubs. Why all the hysteria around a small, children's soccer club? I don't feel it from the other parents on the sidelines. Most appear normal, at least from the outside.