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You are trying to combine two different issues.
Vaccine efficiency and morbidity rates form getting the disease are two different things.
Vaccines give you a better chance of not getting the disease. Morbidity once you get infecteds depend upon a number of variables and circumstances.

Take two individuals.
Citizen A
65 years old, male ,no diabetes, no high blood pressure, not obese. In good health .Healthy
Unvaccinated
Citizen B
65 years old. Male, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure . Obese , Not healthy
Vaccinated

Plus there are other issues , Ike genetics, environmental; life style, etc that may affect the ability to survive the disease.

Both get infected with COVD
Who survives ?
Vaccines do not “ give you the best chance to survive”. They gave you a lower risk of getting the disease. They may end up helping you survive, but it is only one of many factors to be able to survive. That’s the point. That’s a fact. Vaccine efficacy and Morbidity ar two different subjects, not to be compared .
If a vaccine is 95 % efficiency, it doesn’t mean that 95 % of those vaccinated will survive off they get the disease.

Don’t you get it? They keep saying the unvaccinated , the unvaccinated, but on;t say anything about the health of the unvaccinated .

Look, I’m all for vaccines. Had them all, and boosters. But the Propaganda being tossed around about them needs to be understood and acknowledged.

We were all told that the vaccines were the answer. You would be “ safe” from getting the disease. That’s a fact. It was said, again and again. It isn’t true.

Who survives? I don't know, it's hypothetical example but I would rather be Citizen A + vaccinated!

[Guest]

Who survives? I don't know, it's hypothetical example but I would rather be Citizen A + vaccinated!

Take two individuals:
Citizen A
65 years old. Male, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure . Obese , Not healthy
UnVaccinated

Citizen B
65 years old. Male, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure . Obese , Not healthy
Vaccinated

Who is better protected?

[Guest]

Yes, it is what I am saying. 30% of total us population which is not vaccinated, roughly 100 million people, are driving death and hospitalized numbers. 100 million people is more than enough for the virus not to worry about running out of hosts any time soon.

It's not black and white but probabilistic. Vaccines are not perfect and no one said they are but statistically speaking vaccines do what they are supposed to do and it is not to prevent it 100% but to give the best chance to survive covid.

We had two different administrations managing this pandemic and 50 different departments of public health... They are all reporting numbers for its state. they are all in a secret agreement to lie to you?
I bet you voted for one of these administrations, feel disappointed they are lying to you?

That is a nice number...100 million....does that number represent only adults? are children included in this number? ...and 70%...is that of the total US population? Or just the adult US population?...context matters

[Guest]

You are trying to combine two different issues.
Vaccine efficiency and morbidity rates form getting the disease are two different things.
Vaccines give you a better chance of not getting the disease. Morbidity once you get infecteds depend upon a number of variables and circumstances.

Take two individuals.
Citizen A
65 years old, male ,no diabetes, no high blood pressure, not obese. In good health .Healthy
Unvaccinated
Citizen B
65 years old. Male, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure . Obese , Not healthy
Vaccinated

Plus there are other issues , Ike genetics, environmental; life style, etc that may affect the ability to survive the disease.

Both get infected with COVD
Who survives ?
Vaccines do not “ give you the best chance to survive”. They gave you a lower risk of getting the disease. They may end up helping you survive, but it is only one of many factors to be able to survive. That’s the point. That’s a fact. Vaccine efficacy and Morbidity ar two different subjects, not to be compared .
If a vaccine is 95 % efficiency, it doesn’t mean that 95 % of those vaccinated will survive off they get the disease.

Don’t you get it? They keep saying the unvaccinated , the unvaccinated, but on;t say anything about the health of the unvaccinated .

Look, I’m all for vaccines. Had them all, and boosters. But the Propaganda being tossed around about them needs to be understood and acknowledged.

We were all told that the vaccines were the answer. You would be “ safe” from getting the disease. That’s a fact. It was said, again and again. It isn’t true.

"Vaccines give you a better chance of not getting the disease."
And how is it? Does it plug my nose so I never breath in covid droplets? Or does vaccine lock me home so I never exposed to covid?

Vaccine helps you to fight the disease off, and the best case is when the host does not even have any symptoms while immune system fights it. Vaccines and booster train the immune system to be prepared to fight it off with antibodies.

[Guest]

You are trying to combine two different issues.
Vaccine efficiency and morbidity rates form getting the disease are two different things.
Vaccines give you a better chance of not getting the disease. Morbidity once you get infecteds depend upon a number of variables and circumstances.

Take two individuals.
Citizen A
65 years old, male ,no diabetes, no high blood pressure, not obese. In good health .Healthy
Unvaccinated
Citizen B
65 years old. Male, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure . Obese , Not healthy
Vaccinated

Plus there are other issues , Ike genetics, environmental; life style, etc that may affect the ability to survive the disease.

Both get infected with COVD
Who survives ?
Vaccines do not “ give you the best chance to survive”. They gave you a lower risk of getting the disease. They may end up helping you survive, but it is only one of many factors to be able to survive. That’s the point. That’s a fact. Vaccine efficacy and Morbidity ar two different subjects, not to be compared .
If a vaccine is 95 % efficiency, it doesn’t mean that 95 % of those vaccinated will survive off they get the disease.

Don’t you get it? They keep saying the unvaccinated , the unvaccinated, but on;t say anything about the health of the unvaccinated .

Look, I’m all for vaccines. Had them all, and boosters. But the Propaganda being tossed around about them needs to be understood and acknowledged.

We were all told that the vaccines were the answer. You would be “ safe” from getting the disease. That’s a fact. It was said, again and again. It isn’t true.

"If a vaccine is 95 % efficiency, it doesn’t mean that 95 % of those vaccinated will survive off they get the disease."

Yes, it does. It is exactly what vaccine efficiency means. It measures hospitalizations and death among vaccinated. But remember 95% efficiency was only for phizer and only for original covid. Efficiency for JJ with delta was much much lower... So they even stopped giving JJ in US.

[Guest]

"If a vaccine is 95 % efficiency, it doesn’t mean that 95 % of those vaccinated will survive off they get the disease."

Yes, it does. It is exactly what vaccine efficiency means. It measures hospitalizations and death among vaccinated. But remember 95% efficiency was only for phizer and only for original covid. Efficiency for JJ with delta was much much lower... So they even stopped giving JJ in US.

the term is efficacy ( the ability to produce a desired or intended result) not efficiency ( the state or quality of being efficient) , but otherwise you are correct. J&J was always less efficacious vs the other two but offered other benefits that seemed appealing at first (one shot, easier transport/storage). Instead it's been plagued with production issues, questions about safety and of course being less effective.

[Guest]

"Vaccines give you a better chance of not getting the disease."
And how is it? Does it plug my nose so I never breath in covid droplets? Or does vaccine lock me home so I never exposed to covid?

Vaccine helps you to fight the disease off, and the best case is when the host does not even have any symptoms while immune system fights it. Vaccines and booster train the immune system to be prepared to fight it off with antibodies.

The vaccines also make you less contagious (if you do get infected), another positive public health benefit

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...ss-contagious/

[Guest]

Take two individuals:
Citizen A
65 years old. Male, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure . Obese , Not healthy
UnVaccinated

Citizen B
65 years old. Male, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure . Obese , Not healthy
Vaccinated

Who is better protected?

Still not sure .... show me your peer-reviewed study on these cases.

[Guest]

the term is efficacy ( the ability to produce a desired or intended result) not efficiency ( the state or quality of being efficient) , but otherwise you are correct. J&J was always less efficacious vs the other two but offered other benefits that seemed appealing at first (one shot, easier transport/storage). Instead it's been plagued with production issues, questions about safety and of course being less effective.

The "intended result" was originally to protect from infection. Seems to have morphed into not dying as we now have a new term of the week "breakthrough cases".

[Guest]

You are trying to combine two different issues.
Vaccine efficiency and morbidity rates form getting the disease are two different things.
Vaccines give you a better chance of not getting the disease. Morbidity once you get infecteds depend upon a number of variables and circumstances.

Take two individuals.
Citizen A
65 years old, male ,no diabetes, no high blood pressure, not obese. In good health .Healthy
Unvaccinated
Citizen B
65 years old. Male, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure . Obese , Not healthy
Vaccinated

Plus there are other issues , Ike genetics, environmental; life style, etc that may affect the ability to survive the disease.

Both get infected with COVD
Who survives ?
Vaccines do not “ give you the best chance to survive”. They gave you a lower risk of getting the disease. They may end up helping you survive, but it is only one of many factors to be able to survive. That’s the point. That’s a fact. Vaccine efficacy and Morbidity ar two different subjects, not to be compared .
If a vaccine is 95 % efficiency, it doesn’t mean that 95 % of those vaccinated will survive off they get the disease.

Don’t you get it? They keep saying the unvaccinated , the unvaccinated, but on;t say anything about the health of the unvaccinated .

Look, I’m all for vaccines. Had them all, and boosters. But the Propaganda being tossed around about them needs to be understood and acknowledged.

We were all told that the vaccines were the answer. You would be “ safe” from getting the disease. That’s a fact. It was said, again and again. It isn’t true.

Actually vaccines do give you a better chance of surviving if you catch the virus. The vaccine teaches your body how to fight the virus. The fight comes in two forms: fighting it off so you don’t get it and fighting it off if you do get it. Excuse the overly simplistic explanation but you really should do some reading on vaccines to understand them better.

[Guest]

Actually vaccines do give you a better chance of surviving if you catch the virus. The vaccine teaches your body how to fight the virus. The fight comes in two forms: fighting it off so you don’t get it and fighting it off if you do get it. Excuse the overly simplistic explanation but you really should do some reading on vaccines to understand them better.

Or make sure your papers are in order.

[Guest]

Both 2020 and 2021 death numbers are driven by UNVACCINATED!

Here’s something interesting. In FL, the hospitals down there released information saying that more than HALF of their hospitalized patients with COVID came in for other reasons and happened to test positive while there. That is a crapload of patients and makes for some very skewed data. Assuming the same in other states, it shows that while Omicron (aka the sniffles) is rapidly spreading, people aren’t getting sick from it nor are they dying unless they have compromised immune systems in which case, a bad cold, pneumonia or the flu would problem end in the same result.

Time to end the fear mongering and stop listening to the idiot in chief and little lord Fauci.

[Guest]

This is the flu, yes its contagious but not deadly. Covid killed the elderly 2 years ago and now wewill just have to keep dealing with a variant of this flu/cold.

[Guest]

Or make sure your papers are in order.

lol another nut job trying to falsely equate vaccination status with wearing a gold star in Nazi Germany

[Guest]

lol another nut job trying to falsely equate vaccination status with wearing a gold star in Nazi Germany

well its closer to true than not

in NY no papers no movies,no eating out,not bars and no job
yet you still dont need a thing to cast a vote