CIAC will pause all fall sports activities until Aug 24

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Really? There are more cumulative deaths from “ COVID related “ causes in 2021 than 2020. Compare the vaccination rates between the two years, and your” truth be told” is not a truth at all.
Additionally , what were the claims regarding efficiency is of the vaccines originally? 85 % , 90 % ? recent data , although inconsistent and murky displays “ breakthrough” cases , of the vaccinated to be close to 25 % in some cases.

Breakthrough case is not equal to death. It's not black and white but probabilistic. Vaccines are not perfect and no one said they are but statistically speaking vaccines do what they are supposed to do and it is not to prevent it 100% but to give the best chance to survive it.

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Really? There are more cumulative deaths from “ COVID related “ causes in 2021 than 2020. Compare the vaccination rates between the two years, and your” truth be told” is not a truth at all.
Additionally , what were the claims regarding efficiency is of the vaccines originally? 85 % , 90 % ? recent data , although inconsistent and murky displays “ breakthrough” cases , of the vaccinated to be close to 25 % in some cases.

Both 2020 and 2021 death numbers are driven by UNVACCINATED!

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Breakthrough case is not equal to death. It's not black and white but probabilistic. Vaccines are not perfect and no one said they are but statistically speaking vaccines do what they are supposed to do and it is not to prevent it 100% but to give the best chance to survive it.

And when playing with health/life I prefer to have the best odds to beat the virus, hence vaccine.

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Both 2020 and 2021 death numbers are driven by UNVACCINATED!

A fact that antivaxers still can't seem to grasp (although really it wasn't until March/April of 2021 that the vaccine rollouts were in full force, but point taken)

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FSA is restricting parents access to the indoor facilities due to covid.

Anything other clubs or towns are doing so far?

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It’s not an either or thing. That’s what you don’t seem to understand. If your cousin can be proven via testing to have had COVID then he/she is counted as a case. Any comorbidity, disease, condition, or acute ailment they may have doesn’t nullify that they are a case regardless of what state they live in. I think FL may have in 2020 tried to play games with their numbers, but unless the provider doesn’t want to get paid for their diagnosis and risk loosing their malpractice coverage or licensure they have to provide full and complete reporting. Remember when people die, questions are asked about their circumstances and health issues. Keeping two sets of books is a recipe for disaster unless your a mobster. There are too many people involved for something to go unnoticed.

Just heard on the news that many of the children included in the covid uptick are in the hospital for other ailments but also happen to be positive .... Add them to the list as it fits the narrative. Children hospitalizations are up fivefold ..... Went from x nationally to 5x. I wish they would stop hiding behind percentages and put out the actual numbers ..... 2 cases to 10 cases is fivefold but not concerning especially if we have been putting off these hospitalizatiins for a year or two to keep beds open for true emergencies (covid or not).

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Both 2020 and 2021 death numbers are driven by UNVACCINATED!

We are being told that , however the data supplied does not substantiate that claim. Until the data reflects on the level and amount of preexisting conditions among the deceased , it is not a given. How can you trust these people any more? They have been lying since day one. The latest, as written in another post , was the reason for ‘ COVID related children’s hospital admissions. They misrepresented it. Fauci said children admitted for broken bones and appendectomies ere counted s COVID.
Last week the CDC falsely reported the percentage of Omicron cases .
They lied when they said the Vaccine were 85 -90 % effective. They lied when they said you would be “ safe’ from getting COVID if you got vaccinated.
2020 there were ZERO unvaccinated.2021 is what,around now 70 % vaccinated?
So you are saying that 30 % unvaccinated are driving numbers past when 0 % were vaccinated? What?

New study from Denmark, although not peer reviewed, show the vaccines may help prevent hospitalizations and harsher symptoms of Omicron, but may actually INCREASE the susceptibility to get infected. That’s right. The vaccines increased your chances of getting it. More research to follow of course.

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We are being told that , however the data supplied does not substantiate that claim. Until the data reflects on the level and amount of preexisting conditions among the deceased , it is not a given. How can you trust these people any more? They have been lying since day one. The latest, as written in another post , was the reason for ‘ COVID related children’s hospital admissions. They misrepresented it. Fauci said children admitted for broken bones and appendectomies ere counted s COVID.
Last week the CDC falsely reported the percentage of Omicron cases .
They lied when they said the Vaccine were 85 -90 % effective. They lied when they said you would be “ safe’ from getting COVID if you got vaccinated.
2020 there were ZERO unvaccinated.2021 is what,around now 70 % vaccinated?
So you are saying that 30 % unvaccinated are driving numbers past when 0 % were vaccinated? What?

New study from Denmark, although not peer reviewed, show the vaccines may help prevent hospitalizations and harsher symptoms of Omicron, but may actually INCREASE the susceptibility to get infected. That’s right. The vaccines increased your chances of getting it. More research to follow of course.

Yes, it is what I am saying. 30% of total us population which is not vaccinated, roughly 100 million people, are driving death and hospitalized numbers. 100 million people is more than enough for the virus not to worry about running out of hosts any time soon.

It's not black and white but probabilistic. Vaccines are not perfect and no one said they are but statistically speaking vaccines do what they are supposed to do and it is not to prevent it 100% but to give the best chance to survive covid.

We had two different administrations managing this pandemic and 50 different departments of public health... They are all reporting numbers for its state. they are all in a secret agreement to lie to you?
I bet you voted for one of these administrations, feel disappointed they are lying to you?

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We are being told that , however the data supplied does not substantiate that claim. Until the data reflects on the level and amount of preexisting conditions among the deceased , it is not a given. How can you trust these people any more? They have been lying since day one. The latest, as written in another post , was the reason for ‘ COVID related children’s hospital admissions. They misrepresented it. Fauci said children admitted for broken bones and appendectomies ere counted s COVID.
Last week the CDC falsely reported the percentage of Omicron cases .
They lied when they said the Vaccine were 85 -90 % effective. They lied when they said you would be “ safe’ from getting COVID if you got vaccinated.
2020 there were ZERO unvaccinated.2021 is what,around now 70 % vaccinated?
So you are saying that 30 % unvaccinated are driving numbers past when 0 % were vaccinated? What?

New study from Denmark, although not peer reviewed, show the vaccines may help prevent hospitalizations and harsher symptoms of Omicron, but may actually INCREASE the susceptibility to get infected. That’s right. The vaccines increased your chances of getting it. More research to follow of course.

New study from TS, although not peer reviewed, show you are an idiot to quote one not reviewed study that fits your narrative and to ignore all peer-reviewed studies that support vaccines.

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We are being told that , however the data supplied does not substantiate that claim. Until the data reflects on the level and amount of preexisting conditions among the deceased , it is not a given. How can you trust these people any more? They have been lying since day one. The latest, as written in another post , was the reason for ‘ COVID related children’s hospital admissions. They misrepresented it. Fauci said children admitted for broken bones and appendectomies ere counted s COVID.
Last week the CDC falsely reported the percentage of Omicron cases .
They lied when they said the Vaccine were 85 -90 % effective. They lied when they said you would be “ safe’ from getting COVID if you got vaccinated.
2020 there were ZERO unvaccinated.2021 is what,around now 70 % vaccinated?
So you are saying that 30 % unvaccinated are driving numbers past when 0 % were vaccinated? What?

New study from Denmark, although not peer reviewed, show the vaccines may help prevent hospitalizations and harsher symptoms of Omicron, but may actually INCREASE the susceptibility to get infected. That’s right. The vaccines increased your chances of getting it. More research to follow of course.

May or it does? It MAY rain cows tomorrow (not peer reviewed).

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We are being told that , however the data supplied does not substantiate that claim. Until the data reflects on the level and amount of preexisting conditions among the deceased , it is not a given. How can you trust these people any more? They have been lying since day one. The latest, as written in another post , was the reason for ‘ COVID related children’s hospital admissions. They misrepresented it. Fauci said children admitted for broken bones and appendectomies ere counted s COVID.
Last week the CDC falsely reported the percentage of Omicron cases .
They lied when they said the Vaccine were 85 -90 % effective. They lied when they said you would be “ safe’ from getting COVID if you got vaccinated.
2020 there were ZERO unvaccinated.2021 is what,around now 70 % vaccinated?
So you are saying that 30 % unvaccinated are driving numbers past when 0 % were vaccinated? What?

New study from Denmark, although not peer reviewed, show the vaccines may help prevent hospitalizations and harsher symptoms of Omicron, but may actually INCREASE the susceptibility to get infected. That’s right. The vaccines increased your chances of getting it. More research to follow of course.

If this study turns out to be not accurate, will you scream "they have been lying since day one"?

[Guest]

We are being told that , however the data supplied does not substantiate that claim. Until the data reflects on the level and amount of preexisting conditions among the deceased , it is not a given. How can you trust these people any more? They have been lying since day one. The latest, as written in another post , was the reason for ‘ COVID related children’s hospital admissions. They misrepresented it. Fauci said children admitted for broken bones and appendectomies ere counted s COVID.
Last week the CDC falsely reported the percentage of Omicron cases .
They lied when they said the Vaccine were 85 -90 % effective. They lied when they said you would be “ safe’ from getting COVID if you got vaccinated.
2020 there were ZERO unvaccinated.2021 is what,around now 70 % vaccinated?
So you are saying that 30 % unvaccinated are driving numbers past when 0 % were vaccinated? What?

New study from Denmark, although not peer reviewed, show the vaccines may help prevent hospitalizations and harsher symptoms of Omicron, but may actually INCREASE the susceptibility to get infected. That’s right. The vaccines increased your chances of getting it. More research to follow of course.

The study, conducted by researchers at University of Copenhagen, Statistics Denmark and Statens Serum Institut (SSI), suggests the virus is mainly spreading more rapidly because it is better at evading immunity obtained from vaccines.
"Our findings confirm that the rapid spread of the Omicron (variant) primarily can be ascribed to the immune evasiveness rather than an inherent increase in the basic transmissibility," the researchers said. The study has yet to be peer-reviewed.

Reading comprehension issues?

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New study from TS, although not peer reviewed, show you are an idiot to quote one not reviewed study that fits your narrative and to ignore all peer-reviewed studies that support vaccines.

Lol I like this guy ^

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The study, conducted by researchers at University of Copenhagen, Statistics Denmark and Statens Serum Institut (SSI), suggests the virus is mainly spreading more rapidly because it is better at evading immunity obtained from vaccines.
"Our findings confirm that the rapid spread of the Omicron (variant) primarily can be ascribed to the immune evasiveness rather than an inherent increase in the basic transmissibility," the researchers said. The study has yet to be peer-reviewed.

Reading comprehension issues?

Not at all. “Immune evasiveness “ from vaccines. No vaccine, no increased chance of evasion. It is a study, not peer reviewed. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be mentioned. Contrast that with all the lies from the CDC and WHO the past two years. Do I have to remind you? WHO said it wasn’t transmissible human to human. Fauci said early on it wasn’t anything to be concerned about. Mask on, mask off, two masks are better than one. The list of lies is very long. I never said I didn;t support vaccines. Too many vaccinations isn;;t always the best course of action. That’s the point.

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Yes, it is what I am saying. 30% of total us population which is not vaccinated, roughly 100 million people, are driving death and hospitalized numbers. 100 million people is more than enough for the virus not to worry about running out of hosts any time soon.

It's not black and white but probabilistic. Vaccines are not perfect and no one said they are but statistically speaking vaccines do what they are supposed to do and it is not to prevent it 100% but to give the best chance to survive covid.

We had two different administrations managing this pandemic and 50 different departments of public health... They are all reporting numbers for its state. they are all in a secret agreement to lie to you?
I bet you voted for one of these administrations, feel disappointed they are lying to you?

You are trying to combine two different issues.
Vaccine efficiency and morbidity rates form getting the disease are two different things.
Vaccines give you a better chance of not getting the disease. Morbidity once you get infecteds depend upon a number of variables and circumstances.

Take two individuals.
Citizen A
65 years old, male ,no diabetes, no high blood pressure, not obese. In good health .Healthy
Unvaccinated
Citizen B
65 years old. Male, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure . Obese , Not healthy
Vaccinated

Plus there are other issues , Ike genetics, environmental; life style, etc that may affect the ability to survive the disease.

Both get infected with COVD
Who survives ?
Vaccines do not “ give you the best chance to survive”. They gave you a lower risk of getting the disease. They may end up helping you survive, but it is only one of many factors to be able to survive. That’s the point. That’s a fact. Vaccine efficacy and Morbidity ar two different subjects, not to be compared .
If a vaccine is 95 % efficiency, it doesn’t mean that 95 % of those vaccinated will survive off they get the disease.

Don’t you get it? They keep saying the unvaccinated , the unvaccinated, but on;t say anything about the health of the unvaccinated .

Look, I’m all for vaccines. Had them all, and boosters. But the Propaganda being tossed around about them needs to be understood and acknowledged.

We were all told that the vaccines were the answer. You would be “ safe” from getting the disease. That’s a fact. It was said, again and again. It isn’t true.