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First documented vaccine death due to vaccine.

I believe usatoday is the only national US outlet to report on the post-vaccine death. Not that @
nytimes etc are hiding it - they're just busy!

BTW: saying the doctor died "weeks" after getting dosed is deeply misleading. He was hospitalized within days.

This is yet another example of the way reporters are showing a double standard in describing potential vaccine risks and deaths; when someone dies after a long stay on a ventilator, we don't say he contracted Covid six months before he died to try to underplay the connection.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...el/6574414002/

It has to be investigated but as the piece points out his condition could have been caused by many things. It also pointed out other vaccines have this very rare reaction yet they are still the standard of care across the globe.

Even if Covid deaths are overestimated by 20% ( which experts say is incredibly unlikely) Covid had killed about 300K in less than a year. That ain't no flu.

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It has to be investigated but as the piece points out his condition could have been caused by many things. It also pointed out other vaccines have this very rare reaction yet they are still the standard of care across the globe.

Even if Covid deaths are overestimated by 20% ( which experts say is incredibly unlikely) Covid had killed about 300K in less than a year. That ain't no flu.

Not the OP. Fair points but it's called seasonal flu for a reason it's seasonal. COVID is not, early in the pandemic that was an unknown. So not fair to compare total deaths from seasonal flu (with vaccine) to non-seasonal COVID in terms of total deaths only. A better comparison would be total deaths/total infected:

Thus:
COVID: 360,000 (high estimate) deaths/72,000,000 (estimated) infected= 0.005 mortality
Seasonal Flu (2017 with vaccine): 61,000 deaths/45,000,000 infected = 0.0014 mortality

So COVID is about 3x more deadly that seasonal flu (includes flu vaccine). If you consider the age groups that COVID is impacting I would say COVID is less than flu for <30 and worse than flu for >60.

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It has to be investigated but as the piece points out his condition could have been caused by many things. It also pointed out other vaccines have this very rare reaction yet they are still the standard of care across the globe.

Even if Covid deaths are overestimated by 20% ( which experts say is incredibly unlikely) Covid had killed about 300K in less than a year. That ain't no flu.

Do you honestly think that Pfizer will ever take responsibility for the vaccine causing the death?
Hell no they will not.
So it is sort of irrelevant what gets reported about the death.
One thing is for sure, his wife firmly believes the vaccine caused his death.
This is not some anti-vaxer either. They were firmly invested in medicine and the vaccine working.
BTW - these are the first ever mRNA vaccine’s ever produced. mRNA is so new, FDA has absolutely no regulations on it. mRNA is still the Wild West in terms of medicine. So don’t compare these two to other vaccine’s.

This just highlighted that people are not the same and 1 person can have a bad outcome from anything. Covid or vaccine, both can cause a bad outcome for some.

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Do you honestly think that Pfizer will ever take responsibility for the vaccine causing the death?
Hell no they will not.
So it is sort of irrelevant what gets reported about the death.
One thing is for sure, his wife firmly believes the vaccine caused his death.
This is not some anti-vaxer either. They were firmly invested in medicine and the vaccine working.
BTW - these are the first ever mRNA vaccine’s ever produced. mRNA is so new, FDA has absolutely no regulations on it. mRNA is still the Wild West in terms of medicine. So don’t compare these two to other vaccine’s.

This just highlighted that people are not the same and 1 person can have a bad outcome from anything. Covid or vaccine, both can cause a bad outcome for some.

Article said other vaccines can cause similar rare reactions as well as other medical conditions. The wife can believe all she wants but 1) it has to be proven which may never be 2) such a reaction seems to be still extremely rare given at least 20M doses have been given around the world so far, maybe more 3) you sign a waiver when you get vaccinated that pretty much absolves manufacturers of everything. Waivers are not patient friendly but you're acknowledging you accept the rare risk

I saw for a moment a comment that two dozen people or so have had anaphylactic reactions to it but that those people had allergy issues before. Maybe those are some of the people that just can't get it or need to wait. Maybe a different vaccine that's still in the pipeline won't cause that reaction. Again still a small number out of the total. That said, I'm glad my age/risk puts me lower on the list so that many millions more will have received it by the time I do

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Not the OP. Fair points but it's called seasonal flu for a reason it's seasonal. COVID is not, early in the pandemic that was an unknown. So not fair to compare total deaths from seasonal flu (with vaccine) to non-seasonal COVID in terms of total deaths only. A better comparison would be total deaths/total infected:

Thus:
COVID: 360,000 (high estimate) deaths/72,000,000 (estimated) infected= 0.005 mortality
Seasonal Flu (2017 with vaccine): 61,000 deaths/45,000,000 infected = 0.0014 mortality

So COVID is about 3x more deadly that seasonal flu (includes flu vaccine). If you consider the age groups that COVID is impacting I would say COVID is less than flu for <30 and worse than flu for >60.

It's the non believers, anti maskers and Trump who keep saying it's like the flu. It just isn't. Even if you take mortality out, season flu doesn't land this many people in the hospital with serious problems.

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Article said other vaccines can cause similar rare reactions as well as other medical conditions. The wife can believe all she wants but 1) it has to be proven which may never be 2) such a reaction seems to be still extremely rare given at least 20M doses have been given around the world so far, maybe more 3) you sign a waiver when you get vaccinated that pretty much absolves manufacturers of everything. Waivers are not patient friendly but you're acknowledging you accept the rare risk

I saw for a moment a comment that two dozen people or so have had anaphylactic reactions to it but that those people had allergy issues before. Maybe those are some of the people that just can't get it or need to wait. Maybe a different vaccine that's still in the pipeline won't cause that reaction. Again still a small number out of the total. That said, I'm glad my age/risk puts me lower on the list so that many millions more will have received it by the time I do

I don’t trust the mRNA because we don’t have long term data on them.
In time I might.
I am not ready to be a forced Guinea pig for this new technology.
I want to see how the AstraZeneca vaccine does. (A traditional vaccine technology) inactive cold virus as the delivery method.
AstraZeneca is much easier to distribute & administer
UK already approved it and I expect the FDA to do the same any day now.

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It's the non believers, anti maskers and Trump who keep saying it's like the flu. It just isn't. Even if you take mortality out, season flu doesn't land this many people in the hospital with serious problems.

Sharing data makes someone a non-believer now? 810,000 hospitalizations in the 2017 seasonal flu year, 61,000 deaths.

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It's the non believers, anti maskers and Trump who keep saying it's like the flu. It just isn't. Even if you take mortality out, season flu doesn't land this many people in the hospital with serious problems.

Not accurate in my opinion
The flu is a common respiratory virus people are familiar with
Covid is similar.
It’s a respiratory virus
Spreads in very similar ways
CV is more contagious then flu
Flu is more deadly to children
CV is more deadly to 70+ year olds
Flu is more deadly for 18-50 year olds
CV & the flu are similar in deaths in the 50-60 age group
CV is slightly more deadly then flu to 60-70 age group
This is called age stratified risk.
This gives people a point of reference they can understand
People are stupid and need something they can identify with.
Therefore, comparing to the flu is an appropriate point of reference for the average person

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One of the men who was part of the siege of the Capitol building is John Earle Sullivan, an extreme BLM activist from Utah. He was arrested & charged in July 2020 over a BLM-antifa riot where drivers in Provo were threatened & one was shot.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/7/...making-threats

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Well -- let's see -- charges would include, but not be limited to:

1. Terrorism (death penalty offense but I would prefer life in prison)
2. Sedition (death penalty offense but I would prefer life in prison)
3. Breaking and entering a federal building (2 year penalty)
4. Breaking and entering a federal building causing damage/destruction or theft (2 year penalty)
5. Breaking and entering a federal building with a weapon (3 year penalty) 4 and 5 can stack with consecutive penalties upon conviction.

Charge everyone who broke through the fences and was on the Capital steps, but did not go inside, with federal trespass -- a misdemeanor, with a 1 year max penalty. Have them serve a minimum of 15-30 days and pay court costs and a fine -- $3,000 should be about right.

For everyone who actually entered the Capital then charge the full boat -- but be willing to plea down to charges 3-5 if they were not carrying any sort of weapon -- keep in mind a flag pole is a weapon. Everyone does a minimum of 18 months - 2 years assuming no priors. Full ride if there are any priors. Full ride if carrying a weapon.

Anyone involved in actually physically breaking into the Capital, or any room within the Capital, or any office within the Capital -- full charges -- only plea allowed would be if they agree to serve not less than 10 years. If they had a weapon -- then not less than 12 years. Otherwise, take it to trial -- and upon conviction a sentence of life in prison with not chance for parole.

I totally agree that all those involved in the violence should be prosecuted. However, 1 and 2 are ridiculous and they would require some sort of evidence that I have not seen yet. If the evidence comes out have at it. Now the real question, do you think that those who were involved in the violence, looting and burning should be held to the same standard?

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Not accurate in my opinion
The flu is a common respiratory virus people are familiar with
Covid is similar.
It’s a respiratory virus
Spreads in very similar ways
CV is more contagious then flu
Flu is more deadly to children
CV is more deadly to 70+ year olds
Flu is more deadly for 18-50 year olds
CV & the flu are similar in deaths in the 50-60 age group
CV is slightly more deadly then flu to 60-70 age group
This is called age stratified risk.
This gives people a point of reference they can understand
People are stupid and need something they can identify with.
Therefore, comparing to the flu is an appropriate point of reference for the average person

Drfukinknowitall in the house

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I totally agree that all those involved in the violence should be prosecuted. However, 1 and 2 are ridiculous and they would require some sort of evidence that I have not seen yet. If the evidence comes out have at it. Now the real question, do you think that those who were involved in the violence, looting and burning should be held to the same standard?

Democrats want to impeach/remove Trump so he can’t run for re-election. They are afraid of his popularity. They know how much they had to cheat to get past him.

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Well -- let's see -- charges would include, but not be limited to:

1. Terrorism (death penalty offense but I would prefer life in prison)
2. Sedition (death penalty offense but I would prefer life in prison)
3. Breaking and entering a federal building (2 year penalty)
4. Breaking and entering a federal building causing damage/destruction or theft (2 year penalty)
5. Breaking and entering a federal building with a weapon (3 year penalty) 4 and 5 can stack with consecutive penalties upon conviction.

Charge everyone who broke through the fences and was on the Capital steps, but did not go inside, with federal trespass -- a misdemeanor, with a 1 year max penalty. Have them serve a minimum of 15-30 days and pay court costs and a fine -- $3,000 should be about right.

For everyone who actually entered the Capital then charge the full boat -- but be willing to plea down to charges 3-5 if they were not carrying any sort of weapon -- keep in mind a flag pole is a weapon. Everyone does a minimum of 18 months - 2 years assuming no priors. Full ride if there are any priors. Full ride if carrying a weapon.

Anyone involved in actually physically breaking into the Capital, or any room within the Capital, or any office within the Capital -- full charges -- only plea allowed would be if they agree to serve not less than 10 years. If they had a weapon -- then not less than 12 years. Otherwise, take it to trial -- and upon conviction a sentence of life in prison with not chance for parole.

What was done in the 6 other times the capital was breached?

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Tom Wolf (D) PA leads the nation today in Covid deaths. Tom managed to kill 373 today. This brings his total death count to 17,018 or 1,329 deaths per million.
Tom is currently 12th in the nation in per cap deaths but he is rising and will surely break the top 10 soon.
Another Democrat using draconian measures to guarantee the spread of the virus and ultimately deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

And today’s Dr Death winner is Newsom. He lead the nation today with 583 deaths.
Covid Tracking Project say
“California alone is now reporting 380 deaths per day on average, including 583 just today.”

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/california

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Democrats want to impeach/remove Trump so he can’t run for re-election. They are afraid of his popularity. They know how much they had to cheat to get past him.

Earth to you. Trump is not running for re-election. Watch his video tard - it’s over. His popularity ended yesterday. No one wants to lose this democracy. Stop the squeal and re-examine your life and what you really stand for. Admit you lost your bearings. Unless you really want to be a domestic terrorist. Then my advice for you is to run. Run fast. They are coming for you.

https://youtu.be/nCxGBU3KpHI