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I wanted to check the pulse of Oregon soccer. A lot of changes over the last few years, how is it working out? Do we need a course correction or should we continue down this road.

First: Competitive soccer is almost exclusively OPL. Are we better off, worse, or the same as with OYSA?

Second: Relative to competitive soccer the Portland Timbers have formed a three team alliance. How does this affect the club landscape? Was there a noticeable influx of youth players to these clubs or did it have the opposite effect?

Third: The Timbers have taken over boys and girls ODP. Better or worse:

Forth: MLS has mandated the Timbers have boys U-16 and U-18 academy programs. Only two games in but what is your perception. Are the Timbers on the right track?

Last: Over the last two years a major change to Portland soccer has been the Portland Timbers / MLS style. Has this been a positive or negative.

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I wanted to check the pulse of Oregon soccer. A lot of changes over the last few years, how is it working out? Do we need a course correction or should we continue down this road.

First: Competitive soccer is almost exclusively OPL. Are we better off, worse, or the same as with OYSA?

Second: Relative to competitive soccer the Portland Timbers have formed a three team alliance. How does this affect the club landscape? Was there a noticeable influx of youth players to these clubs or did it have the opposite effect?

Third: The Timbers have taken over boys and girls ODP. Better or worse:

Forth: MLS has mandated the Timbers have boys U-16 and U-18 academy programs. Only two games in but what is your perception. Are the Timbers on the right track?

Last: Over the last two years a major change to Portland soccer has been the Portland Timbers / MLS style. Has this been a positive or negative.

Other:
1. Only change from OPL to OYSA is the NWCL for the younger ages. May have happened with OYSA, who knows.

2. Is a joke. New names new uniforms same coaches. Like the OPL lots of hype but everyting stays the same.

3. Same coaches and staff. The cost to the player sky rocketed due to OYSA not contributing money from player fees. OPL has no desire to help ODP (no saying they should)

4. Just a club program with club coaches. Thought there would be something more to this.

5. Just the USL Timbers trying to play MLS. The crowd is the best in MLS the Timbers themselves are bush league pro's at best.
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1. Only change from OPL to OYSA is the NWCL for the younger ages. May have happened with OYSA, who knows.

2. Is a joke. New names new uniforms same coaches. Like the OPL lots of hype but everyting stays the same.

3. Same coaches and staff. The cost to the player sky rocketed due to OYSA not contributing money from player fees. OPL has no desire to help ODP (no saying they should)

4. Just a club program with club coaches. Thought there would be something more to this.

5. Just the USL Timbers trying to play MLS. The crowd is the best in MLS the Timbers themselves are bush league pro's at best.
Well "Scrooge" has spoken. Anyone else? Can you say ... glass half empty!
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I wanted to check the pulse of Oregon soccer. A lot of changes over the last few years, how is it working out? Do we need a course correction or should we continue down this road.

First: Competitive soccer is almost exclusively OPL. Are we better off, worse, or the same as with OYSA?

Second: Relative to competitive soccer the Portland Timbers have formed a three team alliance. How does this affect the club landscape? Was there a noticeable influx of youth players to these clubs or did it have the opposite effect?

Third: The Timbers have taken over boys and girls ODP. Better or worse:

Forth: MLS has mandated the Timbers have boys U-16 and U-18 academy programs. Only two games in but what is your perception. Are the Timbers on the right track?

Last: Over the last two years a major change to Portland soccer has been the Portland Timbers / MLS style. Has this been a positive or negative.

Other:
1. I think it is better under OPL, has held prices roughly the same the past few years due to no QT's/PQT's. Cost for league and State Cup has remained pretty flat as well. OYSA was raising fees each year we of course passed on to us parents. I believe the OPL club fees have remained pretty flat the past few years, at least ours has. The leagues themselves have the same issues, refs, scheduling etc but I didn't expect that to change that much anyhow

2. We are not in a club that is part of the Alliance but from an outsider it doesn't seem to be much different then a few patches on the uniforms. I don't believe they have attracted many new players just because they are alligned with the Timbers. All three clubs would likely have attracted some players on their own as they are good clubs in the own right. They might be receiving some benefits that we don't see and that is good for them.

3. To early to tell on the girl's side and most likely the boy's as well. I have noticed a few new coaches in the program so time will tell if this is better or not. unfortunately the cost did go up for the RTC's this year so I guess that is a negative.

4. Again, to early to tell. From what I have heard the very best players didn't come out so that doesn't help but overall the kids are getting to play in a great league for roughly 500.00, for those kids that is a huge positive regardless of what people say about the coaching. Concern is how the Timbers are paying for the program, seems to be through the ODP program. I hope this is not the case

5. Overall positive, has increased soccer in the media and gotten more people at least watching the game we all love
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1. I think it is better under OPL, has held prices roughly the same the past few years due to no QT's/PQT's. Cost for league and State Cup has remained pretty flat as well. OYSA was raising fees each year we of course passed on to us parents. I believe the OPL club fees have remained pretty flat the past few years, at least ours has. The leagues themselves have the same issues, refs, scheduling etc but I didn't expect that to change that much anyhow

2. We are not in a club that is part of the Alliance but from an outsider it doesn't seem to be much different then a few patches on the uniforms. I don't believe they have attracted many new players just because they are alligned with the Timbers. All three clubs would likely have attracted some players on their own as they are good clubs in the own right. They might be receiving some benefits that we don't see and that is good for them.

3. To early to tell on the girl's side and most likely the boy's as well. I have noticed a few new coaches in the program so time will tell if this is better or not. unfortunately the cost did go up for the RTC's this year so I guess that is a negative.

4. Again, to early to tell. From what I have heard the very best players didn't come out so that doesn't help but overall the kids are getting to play in a great league for roughly 500.00, for those kids that is a huge positive regardless of what people say about the coaching. Concern is how the Timbers are paying for the program, seems to be through the ODP program. I hope this is not the case

5. Overall positive, has increased soccer in the media and gotten more people at least watching the game we all love
Good post, at least this person thought it through.

1. Had forgotten how the league fees, club cards, state cup etc seemed to increase each year with OYSA. OPL while it has it faults too as kept the fees down which has in turn kept club fees somewhat flat the past few years.

2. Would agree but we are also an outsider looking in but doesn't seem to have created a large group of kids going to these three clubs.

3. Still seems to be the same as when OYSA was running it, same people for the most part. Same issues we had in the past.

4. Would agree, still to early to tell. It is a huge benefit to those families playing. Are we all paying for that in increased ODP fees? I believe we are, the ODP coaches don't make much money and the field fees can't be that much. Would think that Adidas gives the Timbers all the gear or at a very reduced rate. If all of this is true then where does the 480.00 per person go? My guess is to help subsidize the boys U16 and U18 USDA teams.

5. Has been a positive overall, much more interest in soccer now from the average Portlander
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Regarding #2, you all must be referring to girls side. From what I see on the boys side, boys have moved to the Timbers Alliance clubs and away from the other clubs. Of course this is a grossly generalized statement but that is what I see. They are getting more numbers, they are getting stronger. Since the boys side actually leads to the Academy, U23, and MLS, I don't think this is too surprising.
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Regarding #2, you all must be referring to girls side. From what I see on the boys side, boys have moved to the Timbers Alliance clubs and away from the other clubs. Of course this is a grossly generalized statement but that is what I see. They are getting more numbers, they are getting stronger. Since the boys side actually leads to the Academy, U23, and MLS, I don't think this is too surprising.
I was talking about both sides, I didn't see a lot of movement at the younger ages this past May at tryouts on either the boys or the girls.
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I was talking about both sides, I didn't see a lot of movement at the younger ages this past May at tryouts on either the boys or the girls.
And the younger ages are where you would expect a larger shift. The example that sticks out most to me is FC Portland. They are usually strong at every age group but I think they dropped off at U10 and U11 for the boys. I heard U10 was very low turnout (admittedly, heard that somewhere on this forum). I know for sure that their U11 team dropped off. Whereas the numbers and quality at WT, ET, and VT were much stronger at these ages. I think this is telling.
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I have not noticed a change between the OPL and OYSA. To me the only thing that has changed is the regionals.

I am not sure about the EST, WST and VT. They all seem to be the ESUFC adn WSM and VUFC still. To early to tell.

ODP was not upgraded by the Timbers just moved under the Portland Timbers brand and the cost went up

The DA, way to early to tell and with the new 10 month season all the DA team are getting used to it.

The Timbers themselves, love the team hate the management.
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I wanted to check the pulse of Oregon soccer. A lot of changes over the last few years, how is it working out? Do we need a course correction or should we continue down this road.

First: Competitive soccer is almost exclusively OPL. Are we better off, worse, or the same as with OYSA?

Second: Relative to competitive soccer the Portland Timbers have formed a three team alliance. How does this affect the club landscape? Was there a noticeable influx of youth players to these clubs or did it have the opposite effect?

Third: The Timbers have taken over boys and girls ODP. Better or worse:

Forth: MLS has mandated the Timbers have boys U-16 and U-18 academy programs. Only two games in but what is your perception. Are the Timbers on the right track?

Last: Over the last two years a major change to Portland soccer has been the Portland Timbers / MLS style. Has this been a positive or negative.

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First: OPL definitely has the highest level of competition. OYSA's continued attempts to be the organization of record is just noise. It would be best for them to coordinate with OPL.

Second: I think it's too early to tell if the Timbers triad will draw the best players. Some players have moved, but mostly I've seen players move towards the clubs that were successful last year and this is the same as in the past.

Third: Again too early to tell if ODP will improve. We have four players on our club team that were on ODP last year, two that were selected to regional team. They're not the best players on our team and don't seem to know how to play the game like I would expect out of ODP. So we'll see what happens this year. The only other comments I've heard is that ODP is more expensive than last year.

Fourth: Don't know about the U16/U18 teams.

Last: Haven't seen any change to Portland soccer with the Timbers involvement in Youth soccer except that the three Timbers teams are kind of a joke now with all having the same names and same uniforms.
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