ECNL in Florida

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what's positive about getting an embarrassing butt whooping in front of coaches you are trying to impress? and let's not pretend that one or two good players are going to show beautifully while the other 9 are holding them back. It's a team sport.

You can't claim ECNL will attract coaches on the basis of elevated play and then pretend the coaches won't notice the sub-par coaching and training.

No doubt coaches can spot the good players and no doubt its better to be on a good team to show well. What I will say is that even the lower level teams in ECNL have players that get spotted and recruited even to high level D1 programs. The rest of the team still will likely get recruited but to a college that is more in line with the players specific talent level. Look at WFF NPL team was able to get 8 kids recruited. None of them would be considered high level programs but they were still recruited. That may beg the question of why one might need ECNL if you can do it without? I believe you can do it without and I believe the WFF NPL team is a very good team which is why they were so successful. But what I also believe, is that there will be overall better success with like on like. High level ECNL team will have better success then a high level non-ECNL team, Mid level ECNL team will have more success then a mid level Non ECNL team etc. In the end you, me and everyone else has to try to make the best decisions for our families. But give it a rest I say. A tincture of time is always the best anecdote and always reveals the truth.

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No doubt coaches can spot the good players and no doubt its better to be on a good team to show well. What I will say is that even the lower level teams in ECNL have players that get spotted and recruited even to high level D1 programs. The rest of the team still will likely get recruited but to a college that is more in line with the players specific talent level. Look at WFF NPL team was able to get 8 kids recruited. None of them would be considered high level programs but they were still recruited. That may beg the question of why one might need ECNL if you can do it without? I believe you can do it without and I believe the WFF NPL team is a very good team which is why they were so successful. But what I also believe, is that there will be overall better success with like on like. High level ECNL team will have better success then a high level non-ECNL team, Mid level ECNL team will have more success then a mid level Non ECNL team etc. In the end you, me and everyone else has to try to make the best decisions for our families. But give it a rest I say. A tincture of time is always the best anecdote and always reveals the truth.

well then. We agree.

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I am not from OC but lets be fair. It is well known that most of the players jumped ship to FKK last year. The players that are now at OCYS(most of them) would not have had the opportunity to play in ECNL this year had that not have happened. I still think its a good thing that "600 college" coaches watch their games because there are TONS of mid range D1 schools as well as D2 schools with great academics that will be among those "600 coaches". Those coaches will be able to better assess whether those kids would be able to help their program. Not every college coach can get the PDA, eclipse select, Dallas sting, Michigan hawks, WFF ( :) ) players. So they will be looking for players that may get passed up by the bigger D1 programs( most players do get passed up) and find a player that will fit well in their program. So yeah, it probably is a positive thing for those kids who otherwise might not have had the opportunity.

^^^"It is well known that most of the players jumped ship to FKK last year."

True- but if you listen to the OC folks and their management and Directorship, the people that left were "malcontents", "losers", "manipulative soccer moms", "spoiled brat kids", "control freaks" etc. OCYS was to be "better off without" these people, and "would improve now that they're gone".

And now someone has the stones to start a post on this subject with "let's be fair..."

fairness demands that the truth be acknowledged, right? Or is fairness only required when OCYS' performance as a club is the topic? OC Directorship wasn't looking to be "fair" when it sent its lawyers out to prevent the families that left from starting a new club. They weren't interested in "fairness" when they filed bogus FYSA charges (overturned 6 weeks later).

So let's be fair...

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As a parent of several kids in different programs I would argue OC is much better off this year. The ECNL girls are training and getting better and records have improved. 3 of the 5 ECNL teams are competitive... 14, 17, 18 and the others have some great talent too... just not enough. Parents aren't 100% happy but no one is leading a rebellion or driving others crazy with their need to control things. not sticking our heads in the sand but we are working to help improve things instead of trying to tear it apart.

Most of us have been doing this a long time and know good soccer parents versus bad soccer parents. Regardless of the reason it is painfully obvious there are much less of the bad soccer parents this year at OC. Regardless of who comes to play here we hope it stays that way.

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As a parent of several kids in different programs I would argue OC is much better off this year. The ECNL girls are training and getting better and records have improved. 3 of the 5 ECNL teams are competitive... 14, 17, 18 and the others have some great talent too... just not enough. Parents aren't 100% happy but no one is leading a rebellion or driving others crazy with their need to control things. not sticking our heads in the sand but we are working to help improve things instead of trying to tear it apart.

Most of us have been doing this a long time and know good soccer parents versus bad soccer parents. Regardless of the reason it is painfully obvious there are much less of the bad soccer parents this year at OC. Regardless of who comes to play here we hope it stays that way.

Its easy to pick and chose what you want to talk about isn't it, but have you really looked at those records and compared them.
First what you wanted to talk about:

Last year 14/17/18
Combined record of 13w,25L,7T with a -11 goal differential
This year
Combined record of 17w, 17L,6T with a -30 goal differential

How about those records that you want to leave out:
Last year 15/16
Combined record 13w,13L,6T Goal differential of -1
this year
Combined record 1W,26L,1T Goal differential of -94

You see the difference in wins losses isn't that great on the ones you wanted to talk about but the games were actually more competitive last year. Why not go and actually look at the 1 goal games that the teams played instead of the big blow outs this year.

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Its easy to pick and chose what you want to talk about isn't it, but have you really looked at those records and compared them.
First what you wanted to talk about:

Last year 14/17/18
Combined record of 13w,25L,7T with a -11 goal differential
This year
Combined record of 17w, 17L,6T with a -30 goal differential

How about those records that you want to leave out:
Last year 15/16
Combined record 13w,13L,6T Goal differential of -1
this year
Combined record 1W,26L,1T Goal differential of -94

You see the difference in wins losses isn't that great on the ones you wanted to talk about but the games were actually more competitive last year. Why not go and actually look at the 1 goal games that the teams played instead of the big blow outs this year.

Exactly. OC, you suck and you don't even know it. You will get a few players from FCA next year but you will still suck. Current players will get pissed because they will be tossed aside for a player slightly better. These players will get pissed and moved on. FCA coaches will be given jobs to only be fired months later. These coaches will then pissed off. ECNL will then be removed at the year end.

So, the OC youth program will end as the MLS begins.

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Exactly. OC, you suck and you don't even know it. You will get a few players from FCA next year but you will still suck. Current players will get pissed because they will be tossed aside for a player slightly better. These players will get pissed and moved on. FCA coaches will be given jobs to only be fired months later. These coaches will then pissed off. ECNL will then be removed at the year end.

So, the OC youth program will end as the MLS begins.

Better players will not go to FKK next year. They have what they have and will graduate out their groups. I can't imagine a single top player in the area will put themselves in a position of playing in sub standard leagues and deal with the general attitude of those around the club. If anything younger FKK players will look at the opportunities and step out of their current situation. The whole portrayal FKK has tried to create of OC when they were part of the problem is just ridiculous. No one can convince me otherwise.

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Better players will not go to FKK next year. They have what they have and will graduate out their groups. I can't imagine a single top player in the area will put themselves in a position of playing in sub standard leagues and deal with the general attitude of those around the club. If anything younger FKK players will look at the opportunities and step out of their current situation. The whole portrayal FKK has tried to create of OC when they were part of the problem is just ridiculous. No one can convince me otherwise.

Where will they go once fca is gone next year and ECNL is pulled the following year? Better hope they don't burn bridges between now and then. Read my lips, ECNL is gone after a year. It has already been determined that they are in the first group of "ECNL Clean Up".

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You are making many assumptions. Be realistic, if central florida is consolidated, only a few will play ECNL and DA. So very few will play free and the rest will subsidize.

Which is the way it is in every sport in every organization in the world. You are either Varsity or JV, Major League or Minors.....

Why not look at it from the angle that those that work hardest and are committed will be rewarded with fully funded scholarship in ECNL. Those who do not make the team really have something to work for.

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Exactly. OC, you suck and you don't even know it. You will get a few players from FCA next year but you will still suck. Current players will get pissed because they will be tossed aside for a player slightly better. These players will get pissed and moved on. FCA coaches will be given jobs to only be fired months later. These coaches will then pissed off. ECNL will then be removed at the year end.

So, the OC youth program will end as the MLS begins.

Suck on this angry FKKrazy.

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/youth...-member-clubs/

Now back to your donut sale you clueless jackass

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Its easy to pick and chose what you want to talk about isn't it, but have you really looked at those records and compared them.
First what you wanted to talk about:

Last year 14/17/18
Combined record of 13w,25L,7T with a -11 goal differential
This year
Combined record of 17w, 17L,6T with a -30 goal differential

How about those records that you want to leave out:
Last year 15/16
Combined record 13w,13L,6T Goal differential of -1
this year
Combined record 1W,26L,1T Goal differential of -94

You see the difference in wins losses isn't that great on the ones you wanted to talk about but the games were actually more competitive last year. Why not go and actually look at the 1 goal games that the teams played instead of the big blow outs this year.

A loss is a loss and you are have a loser's mentality. You want to talk about how your players sucked less or who is actually competitive and showing potential in ECNL. More importantly, we are not quitting and taking our ball back to "community soccer" because we know ECNL is the best of the best and upstarts don't become champions overnight. We will do the work and keep improving. You are playing well below your level and crowing about winning CDL. What is next on your resume HM? Bazooka Champions 2014?

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A loss is a loss and you are have a loser's mentality. You want to talk about how your players sucked less or who is actually competitive and showing potential in ECNL. More importantly, we are not quitting and taking our ball back to "community soccer" because we know ECNL is the best of the best and upstarts don't become champions overnight. We will do the work and keep improving. You are playing well below your level and crowing about winning CDL. What is next on your resume HM? Bazooka Champions 2014?

you can continue to say "CDL" but we know you are really trying to ignore the quality teams/clubs playing RPL, FSPL, NPL, etc., because you know those teams dominate your own club of Ecnl players. this club is not developing players as it should be. perhaps in other areas of our country ecnl does work, but here in florida it is still struggling. continue to say it will... but at whose expense? what girls can afford to sit in a program year in and year out that isn't working? you sound like a coach preaching to your teams not to abandon the program... (perhaps as we see tryouts breeching over the horizon...)

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you can continue to say "CDL" but we know you are really trying to ignore the quality teams/clubs playing RPL, FSPL, NPL, etc., because you know those teams dominate your own club of Ecnl players. this club is not developing players as it should be. perhaps in other areas of our country ecnl does work, but here in florida it is still struggling. continue to say it will... but at whose expense? what girls can afford to sit in a program year in and year out that isn't working? you sound like a coach preaching to your teams not to abandon the program... (perhaps as we see tryouts breeching over the horizon...)

You are trying to justify your position and not sticking to facts. ECNL is the best league for girls in the United States without a doubt. The only reason the program is not working at this time is because best players are spread across different clubs. The best players will begin to move to the ECNL program each and every year as fewer are affected by the club history in central Florida.

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You are trying to justify your position and not sticking to facts. ECNL is the best league for girls in the United States without a doubt. The only reason the program is not working at this time is because best players are spread across different clubs. The best players will begin to move to the ECNL program each and every year as fewer are affected by the club history in central Florida.

it's been two years. Two lost years of development. How many more years should players have to sacrifice while the English Directorship tries to get its act together?

2 more years? three more?

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it's been two years. Two lost years of development. How many more years should players have to sacrifice while the English Directorship tries to get its act together?

2 more years? three more?

Sorry, but while you are still whining and bitching about losing your kids spot on an ECNL team and moving on to "just another Florida soccer club", a half dozen committed players are getting ready to compete for that roster spot. Players that want to play in the most competitive girl's youth soccer league in the country. Players that do not let their parents politics on youth soccer hold them back!

The coaches with these teams are just fine and probably more qualified to coach youth soccer than 90% of the youth coaches in Florida! The break up of OC last year is old news. The only people that still care are the people that left OC last year. They just hope OC is going to fail! Unfortunately for you, it is not going to fail. It is going to be successful and the intelligent and best soccer players in Orlando and surrounding areas will play ECNL at OC. You see bad performances by certain teams as failures while these prospective new players see it as an opportunity! In another year most parents will not even know, or care, about the split last year, and why should they? It just doesn't matter any longer!