Thornz Asylum Bottom of the Barrel

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If you want to go to college, out of state DA is the way to go. If you choose to stay in state ECNL or travel teams are better options.

Just a heads up there is no such thing as 'in state ECNL'.

We do have local neighborhood clubs that elect to play in the travel league offered by US Soccer 'ecnl' these same clubs also send their majority of their members to the OYSA/USYS platform. (THUSC & FC Portland)

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If you want to go to college, out of state DA is the way to go. If you choose to stay in state ECNL or travel teams are better options.

Wow... people in Oregon are really that stupid.

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Wow... people in Oregon are really that stupid.

Yup elite players are called 'stupid' by the average players (parents) who pay thousands on travel showcasing nada. Rationalizing is something very special for your ilk. Genius.

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Yup elite players are called 'stupid' by the average players (parents) who pay thousands on travel showcasing nada. Rationalizing is something very special for your ilk. Genius.

Generalizing that playing DA is better for players that want to play out of state college and playing ECNL or OYSA is better for playing wanting to play in state college was a stupid comment.

The stupid part of the comment is ECNL actually has more national showcases then DA. You should do some research before you make any more stupid comments.

Also by your logic if you are paying thousands on travel showcasing nada then why would you do that if the goal was to play in state college? In this scenario why is ECNL be better than DA? BTW, there is nothing wrong with playing ECNL and choosing an in state college option... just pointing out your logic that does not make any sense.

Are you saying your daughter is "elite" because she plays on the Thorns DA team?

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Yup elite players are called 'stupid' by the average players (parents) who pay thousands on travel showcasing nada. Rationalizing is something very special for your ilk. Genius.

You must be with the Thorns because that is where all of the "elite" players play.

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a.Generalizing that playing DA is better for players that want to play out of state college and playing ECNL or OYSA is better for playing wanting to play in state college was a stupid comment.

b.The stupid part of the comment is ECNL actually has more national showcases then DA. You should do some research before you make any more stupid comments.

c.Also by your logic if you are paying thousands on travel showcasing nada then why would you do that if the goal was to play in state college? In this scenario why is ECNL be better than DA? BTW, there is nothing wrong with playing ECNL and choosing an in state college option... just pointing out your logic that does not make any sense.

d. Are you saying your daughter is "elite" because she plays on the Thorns DA team?

a.What the poster said was if you are a nationally recognized elite player from Oregon, you are better served leaving Oregon and playing with a recognized out of state national level club vs staying at the local neighborhood club, regardless of what 'league' the local club plays in. This isn't rocket science.

b.Anyone can offering something more times than someone else. Problem is the coaches are electing to attend US Soccer DA events over all others.

c.You nailed it, idiot parents are paying thousands to showcase 'nada' with our neighborhood local clubs by participating in 3rd tier US Club Soccer 'ecnl' showcases that college coaches are not attending like years ago. Travelling must be the draw, right.

d. elite players are few and far between in Oregon over many age groups. Thorns Dev. Academy could have some 'elite' players absolutely, does that bother you?

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a.What the poster said was if you are a nationally recognized elite player from Oregon, you are better served leaving Oregon and playing with a recognized out of state national level club vs staying at the local neighborhood club, regardless of what 'league' the local club plays in. This isn't rocket science.


>> I misread the initial comment about leaving Oregon. I read it as DA or ECNL in Oregon. Leaving Oregon does not really work for a lot of families because you are talking about heading up to Seattle or California.


b.Anyone can offering something more times than someone else. Problem is the coaches are electing to attend US Soccer DA events over all others.

>> Those same coaches are going to all the DA events as well. The advantage that DA has over ECNL are there are more US National team coaches at DA events.

c.You nailed it, idiot parents are paying thousands to showcase 'nada' with our neighborhood local clubs by participating in 3rd tier US Club Soccer 'ecnl' showcases that college coaches are not attending like years ago. Travelling must be the draw, right.

>> You are wrong here. ECNL showcases have been and are still full of college coaches. Slammers, PDA, Stars of Mass, Michigan Hawks, are all top national level clubs that have gone to 100% ECNL. This is where I think you are either lying or don't know what you are talking about. There are only 2 showcases for DA btw.

d. elite players are few and far between in Oregon over many age groups. Thorns Dev. Academy could have some 'elite' players absolutely, does that bother you?

>> It doesn't really bother me to say they have some "elite" players. It is all about your baseline for "elite" players. If there are "elite" players at the Thorns than there are certainly lots of "elite" players outside of the Thorns.

Does it bother you that someone is trying to make some points with real data?

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Yes ECNL has more showcases, but it costs about $6,000 per year.

Thorns has less showcases but it only about $4,200 per year.

I don't know about you but $1800 is serious savings.

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>> It doesn't really bother me to say they have some "elite" players. It is all about your baseline for "elite" players. If there are "elite" players at the Thorns than there are certainly lots of "elite" players outside of the Thorns.

Does it bother you that someone is trying to make some points with real data?

Please share your 'real data' who the elite players are, big mouth with nothing to offer.

Same ole, Same ole...

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Yes ECNL has more showcases, but it costs about $6,000 per year.

Thorns has less showcases but it only about $4,200 per year.

I don't know about you but $1800 is serious savings.

Two things to remember about showcases:

1) If your DS or DD is truly elite, showcases do not matter. They are for the marginal players, the bench fodder; the players who will be earning 0.25FTE, not a full ride.

2) Just because your kid is "seen" doesn't mean they are being watched.

There's a reason they are called cattle calls.

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Two things to remember about showcases:

1) If your DS or DD is truly elite, showcases do not matter. They are for the marginal players, the bench fodder; the players who will be earning 0.25FTE, not a full ride.

2) Just because your kid is "seen" doesn't mean they are being watched.

There's a reason they are called cattle calls.

Most call them 'money pits' not 'cattle calls'.

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Yes ECNL has more showcases, but it costs about $6,000 per year.

Thorns has less showcases but it only about $4,200 per year.

I don't know about you but $1800 is serious savings.

$1800 is a big deal and would do Thorns if cost was the only factor. It is not.

You were also being nice, because I am thinking that it probably cost more than $6,000 for ECNL at all of the age groups other than senior year. I appreciate you not exaggerating that number though like some DA advocates.

We can debate about the player pool and coaching levels between DA and ENCL, but I don't think we are going to get anywhere. People are going to stick with their party line whether they agree with it or not. You have plenty of ECNL people her who will say how great ECNL is, blah blah blah, and behind the scenes they are constantly bitching about their club and team. Same goes for DA.

It really comes down to if your daughter wants to play HS soccer and is okay playing travel soccer 10 months out out of the year vs. 6 months. Other than that ECNL and DA are very similar... other than the $2K price tag difference. The interesting thing is the cost of DA is probably higher than ECNL, but is subsidized by the Timbers organization. For the ECNL haters, if ECNL did not exist, your DA subsidies would go away because the Thorns would no longer need that incentive because they would have a monopoly.

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$1800 is a big deal and would do Thorns if cost was the only factor. It is not.You were also being nice, because I am thinking that it probably cost more than $6,000 for ECNL at all of the age groups other than senior year. I appreciate you not exaggerating that number though like some DA advocates.We can debate about the player pool and coaching levels between DA and ENCL, but I don't think we are going to get anywhere. People are going to stick with their party line whether they agree with it or not. You have plenty of ECNL people her who will say how great ECNL is, blah blah blah, and behind the scenes they are constantly bitching about their club and team. Same goes for DA.It really comes down to if your daughter wants to play HS soccer and is okay playing travel soccer 10 months out out of the year vs. 6 months. Other than that ECNL and DA are very similar... other than the $2K price tag difference. The interesting thing is the cost of DA is probably higher than ECNL, but is subsidized by the Timbers organization. For the ECNL haters, if ECNL did not exist, your DA subsidies would go away because the Thorns would no longer need that incentive because they would have a monopoly.

This type of rhetoric never boils down to reality.

Comparing US Soccer DA vs USYS or US Club Soccer offerings is simply mindless fodder.

The DA option is only offered to those chosen by the Portland Thorns NWSL Development Academy staff. Which is a very small select group of players. They don't play in USYS or US Club leagues they play in a top flight US Soccer Development Academy.

Local Clubs abound in the area & you can play at nearly any of them if you have interest and can cover the fees. USYS vs US Club Soccer are exactly the same thing as it relates to youth soccer. USYS has so many more teams and produces so many more college players than US Club and it's a documented fact.

US Club Soccer is sandwiched below the DA and shares the same space as USYS with recreational soccer being the bread at the bottom.

So few girls in the area ever have to consider giving up HS soccer as they will never be chose or even candidates for the DA.

Nobody is losing out on playing HS soccer or forced to consider giving up HS. This has to be the most desperate angle that US Club Soccer has gravitated towards recently during their marginalization. If you are damn special it's is in your best interest to not play HS Soccer.

People in this area tend to forget that these 2 local clubs were sending players to showcases on OSAA finals in past years and even USYS Regional ODP and the kids abandoned their HS for local club showcase and country.

Flip n Flop.

Boring.

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Please share your 'real data' who the elite players are, big mouth with nothing to offer.

Same ole, Same ole...

That was my point. There really aren't a lot of "elite" players in Oregon so what is the point of debating the path for "elite" players in Oregon.

Take a look at the DA and ECNL products. They are more similar than they are different.

Player pool and coaching pool are more similar than different.

I not really offering you anything, but saying you should look into the different option and decide what is best for your family.

All of this debate of DA vs. ECNL is stupid. Why are you so angry?

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That was my point. There really aren't a lot of "elite" players in Oregon so what is the point of debating the path for "elite" players in Oregon.

Take a look at the DA and ECNL products. They are more similar than they are different.

Player pool and coaching pool are more similar than different.

I not really offering you anything, but saying you should look into the different option and decide what is best for your family.

All of this debate of DA vs. ECNL is stupid. Why are you so angry?

Fair point, your stupidity is not something worthy of anger, it's worthy of sympathy.