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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    If she's that good those opportunities will be available in a few years when she's more mature (and goes through puberty - remember that doesn't alway go well for many female athletes). Uprooting a family for Thorns is nuts. I agree it may be more so she can stand out in the NW. Developmentally she'd be far better in SoCal with better clubs and local competition than coming up here. Scouts and USSF spend much more time in SoCal also. If Thorns are going to allow her to train with the first team (can they even do that?) then it's a publicity stunt on their part, and not a very good one if she can't play games. Maybe they can sell a few shirts with her name on it to other young girls. Big whoop.
    The "standing out in the PNW" argument doesn't make sense to me. She already stands out in the more difficult Southern California market, so there is no net advantage to that. I wonder if there is some deal between the Thorns and a Nike based European club (PSG) that we will hear about in the future.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      You are right, it is their families' business, but Peregrine kind of touches everything in youth soccer here.

      While I think it is a total coincidence, this comes right on the heals of Crossfire exiting GDA and frankly the whole platform in serious trouble in this part of the country; so people trying to figure out what this means - and what it doesn't mean - for their own kids is not crazy. If you your daughter has ambitions to play college soccer, these are 2 events that are a little mind-blowing, in part because they go in entirely different directions.

      One thing that doesn't change - regional girls soccer is going to be a diluted mess for the foreseeable future (more so here than in Washington).

      What relevance exactly do you ascribe to the fact that Thorns haven't said anything? They just got a ton of free press over this; not sure what they need to say.
      Thinking about this further - maybe the move by this family is irrelevant to families' whose daughters aspire for college soccer.

      GDA was from day one about national team/pro development. One of their challenges is that they need enough of other players to stay sustainable/affordable, but that is their focus.
      ECNL has always had a college soccer focus; emergency of GDA has kind of sharpened that focus.
      Traditional Club - some have college placement as a focus, some do not.

      Doesn't mean GDA or OYSA players won't play college or that no ECNL players will play pro or for national team. Just different programs with different focuses.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        The "standing out in the PNW" argument doesn't make sense to me. She already stands out in the more difficult Southern California market, so there is no net advantage to that. I wonder if there is some deal between the Thorns and a Nike based European club (PSG) that we will hear about in the future.
        She's 13 and hasn't gone through puberty yet. Countless examples of young studs that become average by high school, slowed down by big hips, thighs and boobs. The middle school years are the great leveler of female talent and commitment (some drop out to focus on other sports). Boys take a little longer because they hit puberty later and more erratically

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Thinking about this further - maybe the move by this family is irrelevant to families' whose daughters aspire for college soccer.

          GDA was from day one about national team/pro development. One of their challenges is that they need enough of other players to stay sustainable/affordable, but that is their focus.
          ECNL has always had a college soccer focus; emergency of GDA has kind of sharpened that focus.
          Traditional Club - some have college placement as a focus, some do not.

          Doesn't mean GDA or OYSA players won't play college or that no ECNL players will play pro or for national team. Just different programs with different focuses.
          You don't need an massive national league if all you care about is the top 1%.

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            #35
            It is weird that no press release from the Thorns.

            Would it expect it to be part of a tightly planned PR campaign, given Wasserman is running the ship.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              You don't need an massive national league if all you care about is the top 1%.
              Exactly!!! Redefine your model and provide funded focused resources on that 1% instead of just recreating a development model that’s already established by ECNL.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Exactly!!! Redefine your model and provide funded focused resources on that 1% instead of just recreating a development model that’s already established by ECNL.
                Make GDA much smaller (actually "elite") and have USSF fully fund it. That's a game changer. ECNL 2.0 is not.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Make GDA much smaller (actually "elite") and have USSF fully fund it. That's a game changer. ECNL 2.0 is not.
                  I think what you are referring to used to be called ODP.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Make GDA much smaller (actually "elite") and have USSF fully fund it. That's a game changer. ECNL 2.0 is not.
                    Four subsidized residential academies. One per region. Max of 25 players per region per age group = 100 players per age group.

                    Those players train and go to school at their residential acadenies, play games against teams within their region (academy teams and top club teams) and against national teams from other countries.

                    Yearly “tournament of champions” where all four regions play in a tournament to crown a national champion.

                    Best XI named from tournament of champions.

                    National team callups from residential academy.

                    Problem solved.

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                      #40
                      Interesting take on Moultrie

                      https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club...pN0FeKEcaGhpu4

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        You don't need an massive national league if all you care about is the top 1%.
                        US Club (which houses ECNL) and USYS (which houses USYS National league) both by comparison and structure to the USSF DA each have massive recreational & classic leagues across the United States. With USYS having millions more kids registered. AYSO also has a large recreational presence.

                        USSF DA at it’s National level is a very small pool of the nation’s best youth clubs, MLS DA & NWSL DA.

                        The framework has embedded into the Nation’s youth landscape and the 3 youth bodies USYS, US Club & AYSO are all doing their very best to serve their membership. Which does not consist of DA level players, clubs or coaches.


                        Oregon is handicapped with too many clubs to choose from, they are saddled with a revenue driven club model created to fund the uncessary overhead resulting in mediocre clubs, well paid coaches/admin (soccerbums) and parents who are blind to the system of creating paychecks not players.

                        Throw in the Timbers/Thorns DA presence in the local marketplace the dilution of talent and residual remains at the neighborhood clubs provide a mosaic of OYSA worthy clubs. Not a knock just an inherent result of the the fractured and misguided youth system in our midst.

                        Case in point a bizarre and convultued reasoning process that is espoused:

                        “We value playing at the HS recreational level above all else, but we don’t value playing in the local club leagues that are 5 to 10 times stronger than any HS JV2, JV or Varsity side, which leads us to our next tangent of opting to travel nationwide to compete against teams that are not different than a neighborhood club 10-15 miles away.

                        Without leadership or quality in our area, even once rationale and sane individuals call fall victim to this altered mental state and not know they are in la-la land as they burn through thousands in cash on nothing more than travel junkets for tween girls.


                        Well done. Correction is around the corner.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          US Club (which houses ECNL) and USYS (which houses USYS National league) both by comparison and structure to the USSF DA each have massive recreational & classic leagues across the United States. With USYS having millions more kids registered. AYSO also has a large recreational presence.

                          USSF DA at it’s National level is a very small pool of the nation’s best youth clubs, MLS DA & NWSL DA.

                          The framework has embedded into the Nation’s youth landscape and the 3 youth bodies USYS, US Club & AYSO are all doing their very best to serve their membership. Which does not consist of DA level players, clubs or coaches.


                          Oregon is handicapped with too many clubs to choose from, they are saddled with a revenue driven club model created to fund the uncessary overhead resulting in mediocre clubs, well paid coaches/admin (soccerbums) and parents who are blind to the system of creating paychecks not players.

                          Throw in the Timbers/Thorns DA presence in the local marketplace the dilution of talent and residual remains at the neighborhood clubs provide a mosaic of OYSA worthy clubs. Not a knock just an inherent result of the the fractured and misguided youth system in our midst.

                          Case in point a bizarre and convultued reasoning process that is espoused:

                          “We value playing at the HS recreational level above all else, but we don’t value playing in the local club leagues that are 5 to 10 times stronger than any HS JV2, JV or Varsity side, which leads us to our next tangent of opting to travel nationwide to compete against teams that are not different than a neighborhood club 10-15 miles away.

                          Without leadership or quality in our area, even once rationale and sane individuals call fall victim to this altered mental state and not know they are in la-la land as they burn through thousands in cash on nothing more than travel junkets for tween girls.


                          Well done. Correction is around the corner.
                          Soccrbums and the parental groups (boards) that protect them so their little Suzy is considered ‘elite’ are the reasons soccer is horrible in our country. Foreign coaches know they can come here and ‘coach’ for a living. Look at lake Oswego. A few accents, multimillion dollar fields, expensive gear and no production.

                          Epitome of suburban soccer.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            For better or for worse, one thing about the match reports that GDA teams release (which include starts and minutes played for each player) is that it's very obvious who are the non-favored players on each team. Which means those players are very aware that they are the ones who will be replaced by this phenom. That can't be a good feeling. But they signed up to play with the "best." And now they'll actually get that. Be careful what you wish for.
                            Yes, this 1 player is going to replace 4 or 5 players.

                            Why would you not want the best players on your team and compete to be on the team?

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Yes, this 1 player is going to replace 4 or 5 players.

                              Why would you not want the best players on your team and compete to be on the team?
                              No, that one player is going to replace 1 starter. Who will replace one bench player. Who will bump the last bench player off the team (or the team will get bigger and have more bench players).

                              This wouldn't be as much of a concern if GDA didn't have their weird and restrictive substitution rules. As it is, only 14 players can play per game. This girl will be a starter and probably a full game player.

                              Again, looking at the GDA website match reports, Thorns already play most of their starters entire games. The bench players (the three that get to play per game) share a very small portion of minutes. She will be another starter playing full games which means either a starter who has been playing full games will be added to the bench players scrapping for those leftover minutes, or the number of starters playing full games will increase by one, making that pool of leftover minutes for bench players even smaller.

                              Either way, one starter won't be happy (because even if all the current full game starters get to continue playing full games, someone will lose "their" starting position) and all the bench players won't be happy. Does that make more sense?

                              And in answer to your question, yes, in theory girls should want to play with the best players. That's easy to say until that player takes your spot.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                No, that one player is going to replace 1 starter. Who will replace one bench player. Who will bump the last bench player off the team (or the team will get bigger and have more bench players).

                                This wouldn't be as much of a concern if GDA didn't have their weird and restrictive substitution rules. As it is, only 14 players can play per game. This girl will be a starter and probably a full game player.

                                Again, looking at the GDA website match reports, Thorns already play most of their starters entire games. The bench players (the three that get to play per game) share a very small portion of minutes. She will be another starter playing full games which means either a starter who has been playing full games will be added to the bench players scrapping for those leftover minutes, or the number of starters playing full games will increase by one, making that pool of leftover minutes for bench players even smaller.

                                Either way, one starter won't be happy (because even if all the current full game starters get to continue playing full games, someone will lose "their" starting position) and all the bench players won't be happy. Does that make more sense?

                                And in answer to your question, yes, in theory girls should want to play with the best players. That's easy to say until that player takes your spot.
                                Yes, but this is true no matter where you go. If a team adds a ringer or a superstar, everyone is happy--except the person who gets benched or cut as a result.

                                And it pro sports, including those aspiring to be pros, that's just part of the business. Nobody is going to refuse to bring in Messi because guy #20 on the squad might never make another matchday roster.

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