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    Running up the score is important

    If your league is doing a terrible job of grouping competitive teams together you are duty bound to run up the score every chance you get.

    If your league is placing certain teams in top divisions because because of politics, run up the score and weed these teams out.

    If your league is putting excellent teams in lower divisions for no apparent reason, run up the score and shine a light on their antics.

    Running up the score can help.

    #2
    It should be evident by the quality of their play if they are in the right Division. The score is auxiliary, and shouldn't matter.

    Any soccer devotee worth his salt should be able to look at the teams and their play, and know what they have. The score is least indicative way to tell.

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      #3
      A different perspective

      The game starts. The coach puts out the starting team. Before long the team is slaughtering the other team six to nothing. What do you do then? Well one answer, clearly, is that you start playing the subs quite a bit more. You can also Put kids in different positions. Maybe, even play a man down. However, at no time do you tell your kids to take it easy. In addition, do you then tell the subs or the kids who don't get the score goals that they are not allowed to shoot the ball because the starters already scored enough? This is the problem with youth soccer and the benefits of readjusting brackets at the end of each season . There really was little problem with the relegation and promotion that the Maple league had. Yes, it could have been done differently, but, the lack of any such process in the NEP allows clubs to advertise that they have top teams in the top division when those teams should not be there. There has to be some middle ground solution.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        If your league is doing a terrible job of grouping competitive teams together you are duty bound to run up the score every chance you get.

        If your league is placing certain teams in top divisions because because of politics, run up the score and weed these teams out.

        If your league is putting excellent teams in lower divisions for no apparent reason, run up the score and shine a light on their antics.

        Running up the score can help.
        That's actually a reasonable and logical argument.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          That's actually a reasonable and logical argument.
          Yes, in your own personalized bubble of logic that would make sense lol.

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            #6
            Bad teams that quit playing when they get down 5 goals are ruining soccer in the U.S.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              If your league is doing a terrible job of grouping competitive teams together you are duty bound to run up the score every chance you get.

              If your league is placing certain teams in top divisions because because of politics, run up the score and weed these teams out.

              If your league is putting excellent teams in lower divisions for no apparent reason, run up the score and shine a light on their antics.

              Running up the score can help.

              If you are an a-hole, you are duty bound to run up the score.

              If you think sportsmanship is BS, you are duty bound to run up the score.

              If you can't get into ECNL, you are duty bound to run up the score.

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                #8
                Maybe they thought some of the goals could be transferred over to the U13 game where NEFC lost, lol.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  If you are an a-hole, you are duty bound to run up the score.

                  If you think sportsmanship is BS, you are duty bound to run up the score.

                  If you can't get into ECNL, you are duty bound to run up the score.
                  Spoken like the driving factor behind the culture of pay to play mediocrity in U.S. Soccer.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    That's actually a reasonable and logical argument.
                    Except for the fact that kids are involved. Who is looking out for the kids?

                    Crazy win at all costs parents is what is wrong with youth soccer today.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Except for the fact that kids are involved. Who is looking out for the kids?

                      Crazy win at all costs parents is what is wrong with youth soccer today.
                      It's incumbent upon a league to place teams correctly if development is their actual goal. It's not about winning at all costs. It's about making sure similarly talented teams are always together so season long records hover around .500.

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                        #12
                        Mistakes in placement happen for any number of reasons from benign, e.g. not realistically evaluating the team's development to intentionally misplacing teams, either to be in the highest bracket or to be in an easier bracket so as to win all games.

                        There are clubs that intentionally place teams over their head, feeling that such will "toughen them up".

                        Intentional misplacement of teams is not limited to club soccer. In BAYS, the D2 A and B sections can have stronger teams than the D1 sections, due to towns/coaches wanting to run up scores against against lesser teams to have an easier road to MTOC.

                        In any case, it appears that player development is being sacrificed for team success. Youth teams have no meaning. It is hard to get parents to understand that the original and should be the sole purpose of youth teams is to facilitate player development.

                        The primary goal of player development does not always match the goal of team success. How often are players restricted to specific positions for the benefit of the team and not for the player's growth?

                        Part of the deficiency of US Soccer is the early specialization. Too often one sees players play the same position all season and in practice, e.g. keeper only plays/practice in goal, a left defender only practices and plays on the left side of the field.

                        We are developing players who have limited field vision, no tactical understanding/flexibility, and very poor technical skills. By U14, first touch should be enable ball control with either foot. Almost all seem to have stone feet with little ability to control the ball. There is almost no weak side development.

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                          #13
                          and then they reach college and the coach there puts them where they need them. Over the past few years lot's of forwards got converted to defenders because of their attacking skills but most sucked as defenders, now college coaches are back looking for players who know how to defend and there is a run on holding mids who typically can do both.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by OB1 View Post
                            Mistakes in placement happen for any number of reasons from benign, e.g. not realistically evaluating the team's development to intentionally misplacing teams, either to be in the highest bracket or to be in an easier bracket so as to win all games.

                            There are clubs that intentionally place teams over their head, feeling that such will "toughen them up".

                            Intentional misplacement of teams is not limited to club soccer. In BAYS, the D2 A and B sections can have stronger teams than the D1 sections, due to towns/coaches wanting to run up scores against against lesser teams to have an easier road to MTOC.

                            In any case, it appears that player development is being sacrificed for team success. Youth teams have no meaning. It is hard to get parents to understand that the original and should be the sole purpose of youth teams is to facilitate player development.

                            The primary goal of player development does not always match the goal of team success. How often are players restricted to specific positions for the benefit of the team and not for the player's growth?

                            Part of the deficiency of US Soccer is the early specialization. Too often one sees players play the same position all season and in practice, e.g. keeper only plays/practice in goal, a left defender only practices and plays on the left side of the field.

                            We are developing players who have limited field vision, no tactical understanding/flexibility, and very poor technical skills. By U14, first touch should be enable ball control with either foot. Almost all seem to have stone feet with little ability to control the ball. There is almost no weak side development.
                            THIS.

                            If you're a parent of a club soccer player below high school age and you're not reading this twice and asking hard questions about your kid's development, you deserve the rude awakening coming your way.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by OB1 View Post
                              Mistakes in placement happen for any number of reasons from benign, e.g. not realistically evaluating the team's development to intentionally misplacing teams, either to be in the highest bracket or to be in an easier bracket so as to win all games.

                              There are clubs that intentionally place teams over their head, feeling that such will "toughen them up".

                              Intentional misplacement of teams is not limited to club soccer. In BAYS, the D2 A and B sections can have stronger teams than the D1 sections, due to towns/coaches wanting to run up scores against against lesser teams to have an easier road to MTOC.

                              In any case, it appears that player development is being sacrificed for team success. Youth teams have no meaning. It is hard to get parents to understand that the original and should be the sole purpose of youth teams is to facilitate player development.

                              The primary goal of player development does not always match the goal of team success. How often are players restricted to specific positions for the benefit of the team and not for the player's growth?

                              Part of the deficiency of US Soccer is the early specialization. Too often one sees players play the same position all season and in practice, e.g. keeper only plays/practice in goal, a left defender only practices and plays on the left side of the field.

                              We are developing players who have limited field vision, no tactical understanding/flexibility, and very poor technical skills. By U14, first touch should be enable ball control with either foot. Almost all seem to have stone feet with little ability to control the ball. There is almost no weak side development.
                              Honest question. So what's a parent who cares about development to do?

                              I have a U12 son who plays 50% keeper and has been placed on D all of last year and so far all of this year. It's very clear that it's what is best for the team as very few can play D.

                              He's asked for the opportunity to play elsewhere and has been told yes, but it never happens.

                              Friends at other clubs have the same issue. So I'm not confident that switching clubs will help.

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