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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    The answer is somewhere in between - have GDA be 35-50% smaller for only the players who really want it, are gunning for top D1 programs. Only the top clubs, only the top players, only the top coaches. Without tightening up the quality people will continue to question if the sacrifices are worth it for given what they get. Prove to families GDA is worth it. As of now they haven't in any consistent manner. Yes it's only year one but given who they lost and who they added they aren't going in the right direction
    US Soccer has a stable of clubs and pro teams in it's DA, they prove it every time they compete. They are content with the talent as they fill up National teams with DA players.

    It's not like we have any National team level players that are not being seen because they play for a local club team and not the Thorns DA. If we had National team level talent that boy or girl would be with the Timbers or Thorns DA.

    Phone call to National team candidate

    US Nat Coach: We have selected you to be part of the National team for your age group, Congrats! It's mandatory that you play for a DA club and since once is funded locally and within 5 miles of your home, we will put you in touch with their staff. Understand if you leave the national team, you are welcome to go back and play with your local club.

    National Team Player: Great, No Problem.

    US Nat Coach: Any other questions, before I let you go?

    National Team Player Selection: Wait....I can't do it, since it means I have to give up playing HS, sorry.

    Phone clicks and the coach moves to another selection.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      No, actually really don't care how they run things (Thorns). Just trying to point out why it is failing and hoping the adults in the room come to their sense's before US Soccer ruins our WNT and our Women are in the same position as our men. Really enjoy cheering for at least one of our sides in the World Cup
      ECNL has already ruined the younger ages of WNT. It will take a monumental effort to make them competitive again.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        So what if GDA doesn't get the best players. Nobody cares about the quality level of the players. What is important is that the kids have fun. The Playing Time Guarantee means that every player gets a turn no matter their level of skill.
        As long as they ban high school they will struggle to get players. Wonder how much longer it will be around?

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          GDA is losing all the top clubs, like slammers.
          Girls and parents are telling the clubs they want to play high school soccer. It is important to a lot of kids. Getting hundreds of fans, peers, families at games is important to a lot of kids.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Girls and parents are telling the clubs they want to play high school soccer. It is important to a lot of kids. Getting hundreds of fans, peers, families at games is important to a lot of kids.
            Makes sense, since our local travel club teams have no fans or peers attending any of their meaningless games. Our girls have no chance of being chosen for the NWSL Thorns DA, so HS is the thing that is important.

            Furthermore our state boasts no club that would ever be a DA program, so we have no families telling any local clubs they want to play HS. It's just the normal established routine for all HS level players. Our family has asked the club repeatedly, why are we paying to travel to play teams worse than the HS level. No reply from the club yet. I'm patient.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Girls and parents are telling the clubs they want to play high school soccer. It is important to a lot of kids. Getting hundreds of fans, peers, families at games is important to a lot of kids.
              Is that why the NWSL Thorns are struggling and losing most games?

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Girls and parents are telling the clubs they want to play high school soccer. It is important to a lot of kids. Getting hundreds of fans, peers, families at games is important to a lot of kids.
                Top clubs are pulling the plug on GDA. Slammers were the best GDA club and they dumped it.

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                  your are kidding

                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Really, the Boys DA has no issue with this concession (HS Sport). You may want to analyze your opinion. It's not based in reality.

                  When did not playing in HS in a fringe sport become a 'bad' thing? Water Polo, Fencing, Ice Skating, Soccer, Gymnastics, Swimming are all sports that gravitate to the club only model as the HS recreational platform, for the best of the best, derails their development (in the sport they love).

                  Nearly all Oregonians should play recreational HS Soccer at the moment it's, really fun, you get to rep your school and it's very easy for the decent club player, who would never have a shot at a DA squad.
                  You are kidding yourself, there are several players who do not go out for the boys DA so they can play HS. It isn't as noticeable because the talent pool is larger, no ECNL and several out of state players.

                  There has been a few good papers written about how the boy players feel disassociated with their schools due to travel for games and the lack of after school activities.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    You are kidding yourself, there are several players who do not go out for the boys DA so they can play HS. It isn't as noticeable because the talent pool is larger, no ECNL and several out of state players. There has been a few good papers written about how the boy players feel disassociated with their schools due to travel for games and the lack of after school activities.
                    We have a very unique DA landscape in Oregon, it's not connected to any local club, it's simply a branch of a Professional club in the MLS & NWSL. Those local boys who might be able to make it as the number #14-#22 on Timbers DA squad but don't turn out are better served to play local club and HS since they will get to play on the field.
                    Any Oregonian or SW Washington boy that would be relevant in the MLS Timbers older DA starting 11 plays for the DA Timbers. Saying players elect not to be part of the DA so they can play HS is an interesting spin or narrative, but once you uncover the reason it's simple who really wants to be a reserve not playing at ages 15-18? Most local clubs boys get dumped from the Timbers DA after age 16 and return to HS & Club, they were playing very little had no chance of being a Pro and wanted to play on a field vs sitting on the bench. Many, Many stories of these kids returning to HS & Club since the Timbers DA didn't work out. The HS level is very watered down with so many squads very comparable making for competitive matches.They feel like they made a choice. If the choice means sitting on the bench with no hope of playing for the MLS DA or passing up the choice to play for the HS, most opt to go back to HS and more importantly Club play as they should. It's called common sense.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Top clubs are pulling the plug on GDA. Slammers were the best GDA club and they dumped it.
                      Been saying all along that is they allowed high school they wouldn’t lose top players or clubs.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Been saying all along that is they allowed high school they wouldn’t lose top players or clubs.
                        The top players are on the National Team and have other concerns than playing HS.

                        US Soccer national team(s) have never lost one single player selection in the history of planet earth due to the reality that with selection comes the sacrifice of not playing in HS.

                        You may consider this a time to stop talking, jus sayin.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          The top players are on the National Team and have other concerns than playing HS.

                          US Soccer national team(s) have never lost one single player selection in the history of planet earth due to the reality that with selection comes the sacrifice of not playing in HS.

                          You may consider this a time to stop talking, jus sayin.
                          Your dumb argument might be valid but for one thing. Yes it’s true that players like Sophia Smith skipped HS soccer all together. Ashley Sanchez and Mal Pugh played HS but missed games due to national team commitments.

                          But here’s the thing and lean in close because this is important. Your kid will never make the national team. There isn’t a single player on the Oregon GDA roster who will. If they were close, they would be being brought in to national team camps. They aren’t except for the one keeper who got one game when the main keeper was injured. As someone else pointed out, she comprises the .01% of Oregon players who see national team play. Your kid won’t. She is making the same sacrifices as players like Pugh, Sanchez, and Smith, but at an age where it’s already obvious she has no shot of a national team call up. And you, her coaches, and other trusted adults in her life actually have her thinking this is smart. Shame on you.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            The top players are on the National Team and have other concerns than playing HS.

                            US Soccer national team(s) have never lost one single player selection in the history of planet earth due to the reality that with selection comes the sacrifice of not playing in HS.

                            You may consider this a time to stop talking, jus sayin.
                            Virtually every player in GDA knows they're not NT material. But GDA needs that 99.8% of players to make the league work. USSF can't seem to grasp they're competing with a well entrenched competitor that offers a similar product with an important differentiator to many players. HS sports.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Top clubs are pulling the plug on GDA. Slammers were the best GDA club and they dumped it.
                              Top clubs are getting a lot of pressure because kids want to play high school soccer, like the best players have always done. World Cup winners talk about the pride of representing their school.

                              Every sociological or psychological study of happiness notes the importance of balance in life. Connection to community is also important. When you have a big local rivalry or a playoff game and hundreds fill the stands, the kids love it. When they get mobbed by the student section after the game, the kids love it. Standing for the national anthem at your school, kids love it.

                              Until the MBA suits in the board room at GDA figure that out, they will struggle to attract top players.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Your dumb argument might be valid but for one thing. Yes it’s true that players like Sophia Smith skipped HS soccer all together. Ashley Sanchez and Mal Pugh played HS but missed games due to national team commitments.

                                But here’s the thing and lean in close because this is important. Your kid will never make the national team. There isn’t a single player on the Oregon GDA roster who will. If they were close, they would be being brought in to national team camps. They aren’t except for the one keeper who got one game when the main keeper was injured. As someone else pointed out, she comprises the .01% of Oregon players who see national team play. Your kid won’t. She is making the same sacrifices as players like Pugh, Sanchez, and Smith, but at an age where it’s already obvious she has no shot of a national team call up. And you, her coaches, and other trusted adults in her life actually have her thinking this is smart. Shame on you.
                                To expand on the reality that has been repeated and documented for decades in Oregon, (girls from this state have little to no chance of becoming national team players). Sorry you just came to this startling realization as it's truly your own special ah-ha moment. Which motivates you to have other(s) lean in and listen closely to your newly discovered revelation. It's telling and insightful, so thank you for allowing us to understand your mindset. The DA is US Soccer's top tier platform for youth players in this country, you may not like this fact, but that's your own issue. Coming to grips with it, is on you.
                                The US Soccer DA in Oregon for both boys & girls is linked to the only Pro club we will ever know.The US Soccer DA for boys is embedded after 10 seasons in our nation as 'the' pathway to Pros, College and National teams. The Girls DA is on the same track for Pros & National teams, but due to Title IX legislation and some cloudy interpretation, the NCAA, NAIA & Junior Colleges that receive federal funding, 'Title IX' translates into hundreds of more funded Women's teams (than Mens) with millions of more dollars in athletic aid available to Women. So at the end day, the DA for girls will be 'the' pathway for those who want to go to the best/Top D1 colleges as well as the small percentage that go Pro and to US Nat teams.
                                USYS & US Club leagues will continue to send girls to the the lower tiers and even some decent D1 schools, so what's the big deal? Title IX is not going away, funding is here to stay for women.

                                On the idea of giving up playing recreational HS Soccer? Suggestion don't accept a spot on DA squad if they coming knocking or don't tryout.

                                In our tiny backyard no rationale explanation has ever been offered why (2) neighborhood clubs without any history of achievement in USYS or US Club competitions, would force families to fly all over the U.S, give up state based club play and then tell everyone how great HS Soccer is.... This strange hypocritical narrative of telling others don't give up HS, while they leave the state club leagues is truly remarkable.

                                But not unexpected when you can't think for yourself and are clueless.

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