At what point do we say to ourselves ***? How many thousands does it take to realize these pyramids, we call club soccer, have no return on investment. A pathway to D1,and beyond!.....get real. People do your research. O know it's hard expect...when someone cuts you down two very personal ways......don't tell me how to spend MY money on MY kid! Maybe that freshman "red shirt' year or Sophmore he/she blows ACL within that 32min played the whole season.... whatever! We all learn at different times. All the one drinking the cool aid can cut me down..... I get it...but I learned to leave it.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAt what point do we say to ourselves ***? How many thousands does it take to realize these pyramids, we call club soccer, have no return on investment. A pathway to D1,and beyond!.....get real. People do your research. O know it's hard expect...when someone cuts you down two very personal ways......don't tell me how to spend MY money on MY kid! Maybe that freshman "red shirt' year or Sophmore he/she blows ACL within that 32min played the whole season.... whatever! We all learn at different times. All the one drinking the cool aid can cut me down..... I get it...but I learned to leave it.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAt what point do we say to ourselves ***? How many thousands does it take to realize these pyramids, we call club soccer, have no return on investment. A pathway to D1,and beyond!.....get real. People do your research. O know it's hard expect...when someone cuts you down two very personal ways......don't tell me how to spend MY money on MY kid! Maybe that freshman "red shirt' year or Sophmore he/she blows ACL within that 32min played the whole season.... whatever! We all learn at different times. All the one drinking the cool aid can cut me down..... I get it...but I learned to leave it.
The issue is that if players truly are chasing D1, it’s incredibly difficult to find another path.
If you’ve spent any time at ID clinics you’d know that most are trash. Coaches watch the 4 kids they personally invited and everyone else is a fundraiser. Clinics are mainly filled with poor players that make the handful of good ones really stand out which is why coaches then want to see them in club games anyhow.
For college coaches the current model was pretty efficient. Large events with most of the top players in one place.
When your kid starts talking to coaches you’ll realize how small the soccer world is. Right or wrong they view United ECNL teams as the best players in CT.
Would you suggest they play on Ginga FC or the ****ty ODP teams? It’s very hard to go a different route
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI hear you and it seems to be getting worse.
The issue is that if players truly are chasing D1, it’s incredibly difficult to find another path.
If you’ve spent any time at ID clinics you’d know that most are trash. Coaches watch the 4 kids they personally invited and everyone else is a fundraiser. Clinics are mainly filled with poor players that make the handful of good ones really stand out which is why coaches then want to see them in club games anyhow.
For college coaches the current model was pretty efficient. Large events with most of the top players in one place.
When your kid starts talking to coaches you’ll realize how small the soccer world is. Right or wrong they view United ECNL teams as the best players in CT.
Would you suggest they play on Ginga FC or the ****ty ODP teams? It’s very hard to go a different route
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostMaybe some college coaches struggle to identify talent but there must be some that can do it regardless fo the team the kid plays on. Put the identical player on a United ECNL team or a Ginga team and they are still the same person and player. If a college coach can not see it, maybe they should find a new job.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostUnfortunately a great player can’t really showcase their talent on a crappy team. Things break down too quickly if players around you can’t string a few simple passes together, if you’re playing against lousy competition or just playing kick and run. It’s very easy for a college coach to evaluate talent at a higher level environment. That’s just the reality.
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Players on crappy teams won't be seen by college coaches since they don't participate in any events that college coaches attend.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostUnfortunately a great player can’t really showcase their talent on a crappy team. Things break down too quickly if players around you can’t string a few simple passes together, if you’re playing against lousy competition or just playing kick and run. It’s very easy for a college coach to evaluate talent at a higher level environment. That’s just the reality.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostPlayers on crappy teams won't be seen by college coaches since they don't participate in any events that college coaches attend.
That said, especially for higher quality programs they want players who are training at quality clubs and in highly competitive leagues. Being a stud at a lower level won't prepare you well for the intense pace of college ball. You need something in your resume to help get you in the door. After that you have to prove yourself.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostSame is true at FSA ECNL and a couple of them got recruited anyway. Your argument is trash.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostUnfortunately a great player can’t really showcase their talent on a crappy team. Things break down too quickly if players around you can’t string a few simple passes together, if you’re playing against lousy competition or just playing kick and run. It’s very easy for a college coach to evaluate talent at a higher level environment. That’s just the reality.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostHave you ever heard of something called an id clinic?
The clinics IMHO are waste unless a coach reaches out and specifically invites your kid. From there they typically watch 3 to 6 players out of 50.
NCAA rules dictate that the camps are open to everyone therefore the level is very mixed and often poor. It does allow coaches to interact with players they’ve been tracking and put them in situations that they can monitor in a controlled environment. They cannot have recruiting discussions there but can certainly get to know the kid a bit more.
ID clinics are one tool of many. If you have frank discussions with any coach they want to see the kids handle a high pressure Club game. That’s probably the best simulation of what they would face in college.
Also it’s important to point out that this is D1 centric feedback. D3 schools rely heavily on their ID clinics to fill rosters. Lots of great D3 out there and many can give merit money to strong students just no athletic funds and it the case of NESCAC schools it’s neither.
Serious question though. If you have serious player with the goal of D1, why waste your time playing on 2nd tier club teams. Recruiting stuff aside, how do you get better playing at that level?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostDisagree. Strong players stand out regardless. And they can go to the id clinics on campus to show how strong they can be in a different environment. It's a harder path for the player, but certainly not impossible.
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