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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    I think the men's numbers are closer to a plateau. There's only so much more $ to go around and draw them in. What's pathetic is that after almost 12 years of BDA and more and more international players are taking prizes college roster spots. By and large they are players that couldn't quite hack it professionally abroad but they're far better trained than our own.
    This is why the men's game professionally and USMNT in the US are jokes. Develop and train the US guys in college. Then watch how they start to catch the rest of the world.

    Frankly, how are internationals HC's of US national teams? If the players have to be citizens, why is the coaching staff any different?

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      This is why the men's game professionally and USMNT in the US are jokes. Develop and train the US guys in college. Then watch how they start to catch the rest of the world.

      Frankly, how are internationals HC's of US national teams? If the players have to be citizens, why is the coaching staff any different?
      College soccer is a step up from rec and HS soccer. That’s all. It is not competitive with top international programs.

      As for the coaches, the US doesn’t have enough coaches with experience to coach the national teams.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        College soccer is a step up from rec and HS soccer. That’s all. It is not competitive with top international programs.

        As for the coaches, the US doesn’t have enough coaches with experience to coach the national teams.
        You were never a college soccer athlete. Clearly. An absurd over-generalization.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          You were never a college soccer athlete. Clearly. An absurd over-generalization.
          It's somewhere in between - college soccer is nowhere near the quality level of most international professional teams, but it certainly isn't HS soccer either. Most internationals that come here to play got cut from academies. They either just want to keep playing while they still can, or hope to get picked up by an MLS club. Each year about half the draft is international players, which also says a lot about DA. International rejects are filling MLS spots AND college spots.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            You were never a college soccer athlete. Clearly. An absurd over-generalization.
            Not an over-generalization, just a logical fact. You’ve got hundreds of college soccer teams in D1, D2, D3, NAIA. Are they all as good as Liverpool, PSG, etc. or England or Germany’s national team? Absolutely not. Most are full-time students who were the best kid in their area’s high schools or castoff internationals who couldn’t make it on an academy team (which BTW is the basement level of the pro clubs). Many so-so coaches too. Maybe the top 2% of D1 or D2 schools might be as good as a 2nd rate clubs reserve team, but that’s about it. This is the total disconnect in the US with what it takes to be truly world class in soccer. You are putting your BEST coaches and players onto the USMNT after spending millions of $ on development, and quite often losing to tiny countries in Concacaf! This kind of ludicrous talk of how good US college soccer is comes 2 years after the USMNT lost to Trinidad and Tobago in WC qualifiers. Unbelievable!

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              College soccer is a step up from rec and HS soccer. That’s all. It is not competitive with top international programs.

              As for the coaches, the US doesn’t have enough coaches with experience to coach the national teams.
              They can hire foreign coaches.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                They can hire foreign coaches.
                They tried that with Klinsmann...how did that work out?

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                  Don't colleges make more money with international students? Even then, I can't see an AD directing coaches to take x amount of international players for the sake of recruiting internationally. If a coach has 25% to offer one player and is choosing between an international player and someone from the USA but the international player is far more talented, isn't logical to go with the player that the coach believes will help his program win? I also think international players are far less picky about college choice. They don't target like people do here. They go where they can get the best offer whether it's D1, D2 or NAIA. Maybe rosters have more internationals because the players in the US are either too selective or overestimate their talents for the level of play they want to play in.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Don't colleges make more money with international students? Even then, I can't see an AD directing coaches to take x amount of international players for the sake of recruiting internationally. If a coach has 25% to offer one player and is choosing between an international player and someone from the USA but the international player is far more talented, isn't logical to go with the player that the coach believes will help his program win? I also think international players are far less picky about college choice. They don't target like people do here. They go where they can get the best offer whether it's D1, D2 or NAIA. Maybe rosters have more internationals because the players in the US are either too selective or overestimate their talents for the level of play they want to play in.
                    Of course coaches take the players they think will help them win. Athletic grants are largely commensurate with what kind of impact they think a player will have. In general colleges make more $ with internationals because they are more likely to pay full boat. A college education in most other countries college is either free or certainly far more affordable than it is here. It makes little sense to come here and take out $100,000 in loans. However, in attracting soccer talent a carrot will be offered because most soccer players won't have well off families that can afford US tuition. Foreign students don't qualify for federal aid or grants. They can only receive monies from the school (athletic or merit grants) or the could take out loans. Again, talking out a loan to attend some of these schools may not make any financial sense.

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