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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThis is excuse making at it's finest. Any coach knows technical development is the primary focus from Ulittle to U14. From U15-U18 the focus is tactical development, physical development and learning to compete to win. From U19 on, it's about winning.
Not for nothing, but Canada's team is mostly MLS and kicked our tails in the last match. Mexico's team is a combination of LigaMX and MLS and is much better than us currently. We have players playing for top teams in the Bundesliga and EPL and the rest are in MLS. What's our excuse for not performing again?
Jordan Morris's Seattle Sounders just won the MLS Championship. Why does he look so flat and unimpressive when playing for the USNT? Comes down to a lack of vision, poor selection of players, poor understanding of the strengths of our team and an overly complicated system of play. Fire Berhalter and get someone else who knows more and will play less complicated soccer. We're not a build-from-the-back-possession team. We're fast and athletic. Play simple, play to our strengths. Stop trying to play like the Europeans or South Americans, we don't have the technical or tactical foundations to do it better than the competition.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI think you're looking at this the wrong way. Being "fast and athletic" will only get the team so far. This has been the USMNT's style for decades and where are we? You're right, you can't put a guy who coaches possession-style, build-from-the-back soccer with a team of players who don't have the skills to play that way. Where you're wrong is that we shouldn't be getting rid of the coach, but instead finding players who can play the style of soccer he's trying to coach and that certainly isn't this group, with a few exceptions. I haven't really kept up with the style of the YNT teams, but they should also be choosing coaches and kids who can play possession based soccer (and yes, there are tons of these players all across the US), so they can be fed into the MNT. Try something different that what we've been doing for years and failing miserably at.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI think you're looking at this the wrong way. Being "fast and athletic" will only get the team so far. This has been the USMNT's style for decades and where are we? You're right, you can't put a guy who coaches possession-style, build-from-the-back soccer with a team of players who don't have the skills to play that way. Where you're wrong is that we shouldn't be getting rid of the coach, but instead finding players who can play the style of soccer he's trying to coach and that certainly isn't this group, with a few exceptions. I haven't really kept up with the style of the YNT teams, but they should also be choosing coaches and kids who can play possession based soccer (and yes, there are tons of these players all across the US), so they can be fed into the MNT. Try something different that what we've been doing for years and failing miserably at.
Big game against Canada tomorrow and again he’s calling up old man Guzan because Steffan is out and it’s unclear who is taking Pulisic’s midfield slot since he’s unavailable. Much the same lineup so unclear what’s different.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI think you're looking at this the wrong way. Being "fast and athletic" will only get the team so far. This has been the USMNT's style for decades and where are we? You're right, you can't put a guy who coaches possession-style, build-from-the-back soccer with a team of players who don't have the skills to play that way. Where you're wrong is that we shouldn't be getting rid of the coach, but instead finding players who can play the style of soccer he's trying to coach and that certainly isn't this group, with a few exceptions. I haven't really kept up with the style of the YNT teams, but they should also be choosing coaches and kids who can play possession based soccer (and yes, there are tons of these players all across the US), so they can be fed into the MNT. Try something different that what we've been doing for years and failing miserably at.
Heard a story the other day about a dual national kid who is being courted in Mexico for the NT there. Didn’t get a sniff here in the US and he is an MLS player and can play for the US. Not tall enough? Not fast enough? When are we going to realize the ball moves faster than the player?
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^^^^^^^ So true. Not just the fast kids but the oversized kids for D. You know the ones that knock everyone off the ball because their parents feed them beef and chicken with added growth hormones.
And the coaches preach playing out the back, connecting the field and stringing together 7 or 8 passes.
But the kids that can pass and receive the ball the best ride the bench.
Coaches talk out both sides of mouth.
That is the biggest issue with youth soccer. And we will suck until coaches practice what they preach.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Post^^^^^^^ So true. Not just the fast kids but the oversized kids for D. You know the ones that knock everyone off the ball because their parents feed them beef and chicken with added growth hormones.
And the coaches preach playing out the back, connecting the field and stringing together 7 or 8 passes.
But the kids that can pass and receive the ball the best ride the bench.
Coaches talk out both sides of mouth.
That is the biggest issue with youth soccer. And we will suck until coaches practice what they preach.
You think the pro clubs in Europe care all that much about wins and losses of their youth teams? Those youth teams are there to develop potential pro players that can play for a club's first team or be sold to another club. Maybe 1 or 2 in an age group will make it. The coaches are looking at individual performances, not team performance. Sure, clubs love to beat other clubs and there is bragging rights and prestige and such, but the primary thing is development. Puts a different perspective on the whole Revs thread here on TS. All posters complain about is the performance of the DA teams vs. other teams.
The US's problems start at the bottom and run all the way to the top... from parents and coaches through HS, DA, college ball, and US soccer. Blow it all up or admit that our system will never create a world cup championship team and does a barely tolerable job at producing some talent for Europe on the men's side. On the women's it's a different story, but that's because the rest of the world is about 20 years behind us in the women's game.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAs you said, coaches say one thing and do another. In the back of their mind, they are worried about winning. Easier to win at the youth level by putting the bigger/faster kids in. You can string 8 passes together and make a mistake on the 9th, lose possession and then concede a goal. Which team is better? At that moment, the team that scored is winning, but the team that made the mistake will likely have more technically and tactically savy players down the road. Development vs. immediate gratification and "winning". Parents don't do any favors by focusing on a team's win/loss record.
You think the pro clubs in Europe care all that much about wins and losses of their youth teams? Those youth teams are there to develop potential pro players that can play for a club's first team or be sold to another club. Maybe 1 or 2 in an age group will make it. The coaches are looking at individual performances, not team performance. Sure, clubs love to beat other clubs and there is bragging rights and prestige and such, but the primary thing is development. Puts a different perspective on the whole Revs thread here on TS. All posters complain about is the performance of the DA teams vs. other teams.
The US's problems start at the bottom and run all the way to the top... from parents and coaches through HS, DA, college ball, and US soccer. Blow it all up or admit that our system will never create a world cup championship team and does a barely tolerable job at producing some talent for Europe on the men's side. On the women's it's a different story, but that's because the rest of the world is about 20 years behind us in the women's game.
Has their run ended?
Can their system support an extended period of success?
Or will they need to hire more A license coaches to teach 6 yr olds?
It’s not the training, it’s the players.
We don’t have them yet (and we may never)
It doesn’t take 20+ years to create a soccer team.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostInteresting that Iceland, our new darling of international football, is going to struggle in qualifying for the Euros.
Has their run ended?
Can their system support an extended period of success?
Or will they need to hire more A license coaches to teach 6 yr olds?
It’s not the training, it’s the players.
We don’t have them yet (and we may never)
It doesn’t take 20+ years to create a soccer team.
I agree that it doesn’t take 20+ years to create a soccer team and that talking about child soccer development is pointless to the current conversation about the USMNT today. I disagree though about the quality of US players (and coaches for that matter). There are plenty of good US players (and coaches) playing in Europe or MLS; the issue is they aren’t yet on the team. USSF doesn’t identify and train them and Berghalter doesn’t know how to coach them. USSF talks a good game about what’s needed, but the $ and time investment and competent coaching and player selection aren’t there.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWell, Iceland could still be in it. What they’ve been able to do for such a small, cold country is still amazing. Right now they are behind Turkey and France which have 20x their population, $, etc.
I agree that it doesn’t take 20+ years to create a soccer team and that talking about child soccer development is pointless to the current conversation about the USMNT today. I disagree though about the quality of US players (and coaches for that matter). There are plenty of good US players (and coaches) playing in Europe or MLS; the issue is they aren’t yet on the team. USSF doesn’t identify and train them and Berghalter doesn’t know how to coach them. USSF talks a good game about what’s needed, but the $ and time investment and competent coaching and player selection aren’t there.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostUnicorn theory...there is nobody slipping through the cracks.
Iphones cameras are ubiquitous
Here's the thing. Mexico has decided to not call in Javier Hernández because of some personal issues and he is out of favor. At least Mexico recognizes he is their best striker and will likely reconsider down the road. What is our excuse for players like Altidore, Bradley, Guzan? They aren't the best we have and if they are, our scouts aren't doing their job.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI don't think anyone is "slipping through the cracks" in that they aren't playing soccer somewhere. I think our selection is crap. Plenty of other players that could have been chosen for NT duty over the squad that was picked.
Here's the thing. Mexico has decided to not call in Javier Hernández because of some personal issues and he is out of favor. At least Mexico recognizes he is their best striker and will likely reconsider down the road. What is our excuse for players like Altidore, Bradley, Guzan? They aren't the best we have and if they are, our scouts aren't doing their job.
It’s not the scouts’ fault. Berhalter is picking the players, assigning the positions, and coaching them. It’s his fault.
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Talent Identification
Player Development
NT Player selection
NT Coaching selection
We suck at all of the above.
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