Originally posted by Unregistered
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Whoa whoa whoa. I think you are taking the extreme opposite side of bashing the Reign which is fandom. I pointed out some positives and some negatives in the club and observations at the younger and older ages at the start of the season. I think your extremism is misplaced. As parents we should be sharing information about all clubs so we can make more informed decisions. The Reign is the newbie(ish) on the block and deserves some scrutiny and discussion just like the other PSPL clubs and WYS clubs. Especially for the cost and commitment of the Reign. EFC obviously was bashed in the other thread. Crossfire has had its bashing and fandom moments in this forum, Valor had a whole thread. Eagleclaw has obviously had it's day in court. It's the Reigns turn and that is OK and worth discussing. Yes some take it to far on the bashing side and some take it to far (like you) on the fandom Reign can do nothing wrong side. So step down from your soap box and let's point out pros and cons like rational people.
One thing I have to completely disagree with you on is your status quo comment. You really think the Reign is challenging the status quo!!!!! Let's break that down for a moment. In my view the Reign is not only a part of the status quo but adding to the terrible nature of the status quo just the same as the WYS clubs are (once again we bash the WYS in other threads as well). The Reign is even more of the status quo then Crossfire. Let me break that down for you with a simple comparison of the Reign and Crossfire. And before you say it, No I am not a Crossfire fanboy but they are the most bashed status quo club so it's a fair comparison to prove my point that the Reign is contributing to the status quo the same as and in some cases more than others.
1) Pay to Play
Reign - The most expensive club in the state of Washington
Crossfire - Expensive but cheaper than the Reign
2) Tryouts
Reign - Discovery days where they stack rank kids over multiple days.
Crossfire- A couple days of tryouts where they stack rank kids over multiple days.
3) Age of stack ranking kids and cutting kids
Reign - 2009 birth year - 9 and ten year olds. No younger academy that I know of.
Crossfire - 2009 birth year in RCL. Younger kids in academy structure grouped.
4) Travel
Reign - Most travel of any club in Washington State for girls, All away DA games
Crossfire - Lots of travel as well to tournaments, ECNL for girls, surprisingly still has DA for boys.
5) Tournaments
Reign - Summer tournaments, Surf cup etc.
Crossfire - Summer tournaments, Surf Cup etc.
6) Coaching
Reign - Has licensed coaches. Perception is some are good and some are bad
Crossfire - Has licensed coaches. Perception is some are good and some are bad
7) Development vs winning
Reign - USSDA rules seem counter intuitive to development. Limited subs, lots of league travel, no high school play etc. Kids get benched and less play time (Yes this is true, ask parents). Reign wants to win and shuffles teams and kids to try to have a strong DA team and win. Coach specific training. Some better about building out of the back some coaches don't do it at all and just get forward.
Crossfire - Kids get benched and get less play time but it is coach specific and team specific. Coach specific training environment and style. Some consistency to training style. Bernie wants to win. Kids get dropped off teams after many years which can be the kids fault or the clubs development plan.
8) Gender
Reign - Only girls. Not a ton of history on college placements and YNT for girls. Time will tell.
Crossfire - Boys and Girls. Perception is they only care about boys. However they have had hundreds of girls teams across many years and many college placements for girls. Some YNT placements.
9) Club Arrogance
Reign: Palpable. We are the Reign and are challenging the status quo. lol.
Crossfire: Oozing from the seams. We are the big elephant of WYS.
10) Cost Subsidy
Reign- None
Crossfire - Subsidizes costs for DA and ECNL
11) Charitable foundation
Reign: None
Crossfire: Crossfire foundation
12) Community involvement
Reign: None
Crossfire: Crossfire foundation
13) Play fields
Reign: Drug and needle park. (Calm down it's a joke based on the other thread)
Crossfire: 60 acres and Marymoor.
14) Female coaches
Reign: about 50% for the handful or coaches
Crossfire: about 10% of the larger amount of coaches
Not exhaustive and I am sorry about that. Others please help fill in both pros and cons for both clubs. But it proves the point. The Reign is amazingly similar to all status quo clubs but takes more of our hard earned parent money and demands a big travel commitment and doesn't seem to be offering any better development or competition that the rest of the clubs. And from what the early season thread points out, is not playing any better or worse soccer than the status quo clubs.
So please help me understand how the Reign is challenging the status quo by employing a few more female coaches per capita. To me they are just a new club in Washington pitching elitism and taking money for it.
One thing I have to completely disagree with you on is your status quo comment. You really think the Reign is challenging the status quo!!!!! Let's break that down for a moment. In my view the Reign is not only a part of the status quo but adding to the terrible nature of the status quo just the same as the WYS clubs are (once again we bash the WYS in other threads as well). The Reign is even more of the status quo then Crossfire. Let me break that down for you with a simple comparison of the Reign and Crossfire. And before you say it, No I am not a Crossfire fanboy but they are the most bashed status quo club so it's a fair comparison to prove my point that the Reign is contributing to the status quo the same as and in some cases more than others.
1) Pay to Play
Reign - The most expensive club in the state of Washington
Crossfire - Expensive but cheaper than the Reign
2) Tryouts
Reign - Discovery days where they stack rank kids over multiple days.
Crossfire- A couple days of tryouts where they stack rank kids over multiple days.
3) Age of stack ranking kids and cutting kids
Reign - 2009 birth year - 9 and ten year olds. No younger academy that I know of.
Crossfire - 2009 birth year in RCL. Younger kids in academy structure grouped.
4) Travel
Reign - Most travel of any club in Washington State for girls, All away DA games
Crossfire - Lots of travel as well to tournaments, ECNL for girls, surprisingly still has DA for boys.
5) Tournaments
Reign - Summer tournaments, Surf cup etc.
Crossfire - Summer tournaments, Surf Cup etc.
6) Coaching
Reign - Has licensed coaches. Perception is some are good and some are bad
Crossfire - Has licensed coaches. Perception is some are good and some are bad
7) Development vs winning
Reign - USSDA rules seem counter intuitive to development. Limited subs, lots of league travel, no high school play etc. Kids get benched and less play time (Yes this is true, ask parents). Reign wants to win and shuffles teams and kids to try to have a strong DA team and win. Coach specific training. Some better about building out of the back some coaches don't do it at all and just get forward.
Crossfire - Kids get benched and get less play time but it is coach specific and team specific. Coach specific training environment and style. Some consistency to training style. Bernie wants to win. Kids get dropped off teams after many years which can be the kids fault or the clubs development plan.
8) Gender
Reign - Only girls. Not a ton of history on college placements and YNT for girls. Time will tell.
Crossfire - Boys and Girls. Perception is they only care about boys. However they have had hundreds of girls teams across many years and many college placements for girls. Some YNT placements.
9) Club Arrogance
Reign: Palpable. We are the Reign and are challenging the status quo. lol.
Crossfire: Oozing from the seams. We are the big elephant of WYS.
10) Cost Subsidy
Reign- None
Crossfire - Subsidizes costs for DA and ECNL
11) Charitable foundation
Reign: None
Crossfire: Crossfire foundation
12) Community involvement
Reign: None
Crossfire: Crossfire foundation
13) Play fields
Reign: Drug and needle park. (Calm down it's a joke based on the other thread)
Crossfire: 60 acres and Marymoor.
14) Female coaches
Reign: about 50% for the handful or coaches
Crossfire: about 10% of the larger amount of coaches
Not exhaustive and I am sorry about that. Others please help fill in both pros and cons for both clubs. But it proves the point. The Reign is amazingly similar to all status quo clubs but takes more of our hard earned parent money and demands a big travel commitment and doesn't seem to be offering any better development or competition that the rest of the clubs. And from what the early season thread points out, is not playing any better or worse soccer than the status quo clubs.
So please help me understand how the Reign is challenging the status quo by employing a few more female coaches per capita. To me they are just a new club in Washington pitching elitism and taking money for it.
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