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She was not one of the "tips," if that is what you mean. The coach did say that she thought my daughter would not need a tip, but in college admissions, there are no certainties. I do know that of the 11 recruits, she had the third-highest SATs. I am sure that playing soccer at a relatively high level helped her in the "well-rounded" category. But that had nothing to do with the coach. -
How does the coach determine who gets a tip? Is it reserved for players with lower grades/SAT scores? If a player can get in on their own, why use a tip?Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Yes, NESCAC. Could have qualified without coach support, but coach support differentiated kid from other applicants. Without coach support, just another well qualified student from New England. With coach support, flagged for acceptance.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Great info here...thanks!
So it does sound like there are D3 recruiting classes just like D1. Are roster sizes different at these D3 schools? Also, with no scholarship issues/numbers, does a D3 coach tell lots of kids "you are recuited" just so a lot show up for tryouts and he sees what he has?Comment
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Correct. A coach will save his tips for players who may not be able to get in without.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Once again, there are folks on this site let their opinion be known that for some, the only D3 schools that "matter" are in the NESCAC. It is complete BS and please understand that the NESCAC represents only one very small segment of the New England D3 universe. And lets get two things perfectly clear: there are other D3 schools that have a better academic reputation than the NESCACS and certainly there are better D3 soccer programs than the NESCAC. It is a great D3 soccer league and they are all excellent schools, but it isn't the be-all/ end-all of D3.Comment
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Chill. I only have experience with NESCAC because that is the school my only soccer-playing daughter went to. There are perhaps some academically better (in some sense) D3 schools, but not a lot of them (MIT, for example). And the best school for your kid is the one that they are happiest at. Whether that's an Ivy, a NESCAC, or another private or state school depends on your kid. There are plenty of people who became very successful without attending an Ivy or a NESCAC school, or even without attending college. It all depends on the individual.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Was going to post this on the Ivy thread but saw that it is closed.
I have probably challenged BTDT more than anyone, but there comes a point where he is correct. If a kid cannot get in to an Ivy or a NESCAC even with a "tip" -- either because he/she falls short athletically and/or academically -- in terms of "tip" requirements, then one really does have to question the extra lengths that some go to in the desperate pursuit of these schools (such as PG years, repeating jr year, etc). In other words, there is a point as BTDT would argue that your kid just doesn't match up no matter how determined. And one has to ask about putting a kid with 1850 SATs and a 3.5/4.0 gpa in an environment where the median is 2200+ and 3.8+. The former is still a bright kid with presumably a bright future, but not necessarily at these schools. Imagine repeatedly being the weakest student in seminars of 10-15 kids. Not unlike being one of the weaker kids on a soccer team. What does a 4 year dose of that scenario do to a kid? And the shame is that there are MANY great schools "ranked" in the 25-75 range where your kid can still have a chance to excel and become whatever he wants to become. I am a poster who believes that a 3.0 at Williams is absolutely fine and the benefits of going to such a school may outweigh a higher gpa somewhere else. But if the kid is in constant pain in order to get the 3.0 and always is at a competitive disadvantage then a school just one or two steps down may be better all around. And sadly, despite the denials, much of this really is about the parents and their own imaginary competitions that they have with other parents on the sidelines or at the imagined future cocktail parties.Comment
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Keep hoping and dreaming. If you're a better student than the high SAT scorer you don't need a PG year, repeat year, etc.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
That's why I quoted numbers on gpa and SAT. And these colleges know what they're doing. If you have a lower gpa and lower SATs but are really a better candidate academically most of these schools will figure it out.
There actually is another way at looking at this....from the non-athletes perspective. A Harvard Ph.D. with no athlete kids lamented to me that 40% of students at most (if not all) Ivies and NESCACs are athletes, so things are weighted towards athletes from the get-go. 40% is a shockingly high number. If you're still not making it with odds in athletes' favor, then it's time re-adjust. The important thing is that you actually will survive if your kid goes to Dickinson or Gettysburg or Skidmore instead of Williams, Amherst, or Colby. And hey, they might even get to play soccer there!Comment
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Colby?Comment
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Median SATs for 2014 admits.......700/700/700....70-80% of admits with gpa's at 3.75+.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Very impressive but you don't usually hear Colby used in the same sentence with Amherst and Williams.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
Traditionally, the NESCAC has been thought of as having two ACADEMIC tiers:
Top Tier: Amherst, Williams, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Wesleyan
Bottom Tier: Bates, Colby, Tufts, Trinity, Conn
Hamilton is now somewhere in the mix as well.
Of course, it's all relative with all of the schools being very good academic institutions.Comment
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Where does it say that NESCAC is the only D3 group that matters? You sound as if your kid is going to a non-NESCAC D3 school, and you're not sure about it? Otherwise, your opening comment sounds a bit out of the blue here. A poster asked some questions, and others tried to answer them. If you'd like to contribute, offer the OP names of d3 schools that have better academic reputations than the NESCACS, so his kid can add them to the search if looking for an elite academic fit.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Right on! NESCAC's are not the end all for women's soccer. In fact, outside of Williams and Amherst, the soccer is very regular. I saw a Conn College v. Bates match last fall and the skills and speed-of-play was not that impressive.
That said, great recent story about Williams. Non-athletes have 9% chance of getting in; athletes have 40%. Go jocks!Comment
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