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    #46
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Otherwise it seems like you are using a single point of data to prove an entire case. of PSPL being stronger or not.
    This is exactly the problem when the PSPL cheerleaders show up. The most ridiculous example being the "friendly" between PacNW and a PSPL team that was cited 3 times recently, followed closely by the claim that PSPL "dominated" the PacNW Winter Classic B07s last year (which another poster immediately showed wasn't the case, by looking at the actual results).

    As someone else said, who cares about RCL vs. PSPL?! Find a coach, team and club that will help your kid develop as a player, increase their soccer IQ, and grow his/her love for the game.

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      #47
      If a handful of clubs with "balls" would agree to bypass WYS, PSPL, ECNL, DA, US Club and US Youth Soccer and instead work together on a single statewide competitive league with promotion and relegation, soccer in Washington would greatly improve. Grab good clubs from both the WYS and and PSPL and make it work. Crossfire, Wash Premiere, Gunners, Eagleclaw, PacNW, Celtic, Snohomish...others... Create a single non-profit company to run the league where each club is a member with voting rights. Any club with at least 2-3 teams can join. No club can block another club from joining. One vote per club. Members vote on big issues (i.e. expansion, member qualifications, significant rule changes, board/President compensation, etc.) Board and President handles everything else. Members elect board members. Board members cannot be coaches or executives of any club. Board members elect a league president. League president cannot be a coach or executive of any club. League gets a contract with an insurance company to provide the secondary health insurance. A separate contract is entered into with another company to handle player cards and age/birth date certification. The insurance contract and the player age/birth date certification are two separate contracts - in others words, one company cannot control insurance and player cards.

      No fees paid to the league other than team fees. League pays the insurance premiums directly to insurer and pays the fees of the company handling player cards. Keep bureaucracy to minimum.

      League operates as a disruptive force to break the status quo. League has 5 regions (Olympic, Puget Sound, East, South, North), each region has a boys league and a girls league, each league has 4 Divisions, Each Division has sub-divisions.

      The League cannot form additional competitions - its the end of league chasing. Teams are focused simply on doing their best in their subdivision and getting to the highest

      Teams must earn their place in a division and there is true promotion/relegation. No territorial/geographic monopolies. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT: The league affiliates DIRECTLY with US Soccer to bypass the USYS/US Club/AYSO insurance/player card racket.

      Imagine such a league being the template for every other state!

      Which clubs in this state have the cojones to lead this effort and do something important?

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        #48
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        If a handful of clubs with "balls" would agree to bypass WYS, PSPL, ECNL, DA, US Club and US Youth Soccer and instead work together on a single statewide competitive league with promotion and relegation, soccer in Washington would greatly improve. Grab good clubs from both the WYS and and PSPL and make it work. Crossfire, Wash Premiere, Gunners, Eagleclaw, PacNW, Celtic, Snohomish...others... Create a single non-profit company to run the league where each club is a member with voting rights. Any club with at least 2-3 teams can join. No club can block another club from joining. One vote per club. Members vote on big issues (i.e. expansion, member qualifications, significant rule changes, board/President compensation, etc.) Board and President handles everything else. Members elect board members. Board members cannot be coaches or executives of any club. Board members elect a league president. League president cannot be a coach or executive of any club. League gets a contract with an insurance company to provide the secondary health insurance. A separate contract is entered into with another company to handle player cards and age/birth date certification. The insurance contract and the player age/birth date certification are two separate contracts - in others words, one company cannot control insurance and player cards.

        No fees paid to the league other than team fees. League pays the insurance premiums directly to insurer and pays the fees of the company handling player cards. Keep bureaucracy to minimum.

        League operates as a disruptive force to break the status quo. League has 5 regions (Olympic, Puget Sound, East, South, North), each region has a boys league and a girls league, each league has 4 Divisions, Each Division has sub-divisions.

        The League cannot form additional competitions - its the end of league chasing. Teams are focused simply on doing their best in their subdivision and getting to the highest

        Teams must earn their place in a division and there is true promotion/relegation. No territorial/geographic monopolies. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT: The league affiliates DIRECTLY with US Soccer to bypass the USYS/US Club/AYSO insurance/player card racket.

        Imagine such a league being the template for every other state!

        Which clubs in this state have the cojones to lead this effort and do something important?
        Will US Soccer sanction amateur youth cteams/clubs directly (other than the USSDA), or will they politely tell Washington soccer officials to pretty please--we have three affiliate organizations who sanction youth soccer, please align with them?

        This sounds a bit like the old "competing standards" or "boxing belts" problem. If you have N heavyweight belts, sooner or later someone will notice that is stupid and start their own federation to "unify" the sport--at which point you now have N+1 competing belts.

        Some clubs don't like WYS. So they go pussyfooting around with US Club programs--the main purpose of US Club seems to be to enable pissed off teams/clubs/coaches to tell USYS and affiliates to eff off. But I'm not sure US Club seems to be better--if anything, they seem interested mainly in skimming off the premier teams and players, and leaving USYS with the less-glamorous (but still essential) work of administering recreational and intermediate-level soccer programs.

        In the end, it's just politics and cat-herding.

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          #49
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Gunners B02A ENPL
          2 Games, 2 Wins, 7 Goals For, 0 Goals Against
          XF Challenge Gold U18 Bracket
          Game 1 - won 4-0 v Valor B02 Koch RCL
          Game 2 - won 3-0 v Spokane Shadow B02 RCL
          Keep up the great work Boys!
          #ISCGunners
          #XFChallenge2019
          🙌🙌🙌⚽⚽⚽
          Valor didnt win a game on the boys or girls side at any age at crossfire challenge

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            #50
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Will US Soccer sanction amateur youth cteams/clubs directly (other than the USSDA), or will they politely tell Washington soccer officials to pretty please--we have three affiliate organizations who sanction youth soccer, please align with them?
            It’s possible and WYS knows it. They wrote the playbook:


            https://www.socceramerica.com/public...s-back-at.html

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              #51
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              This is exactly the problem when the PSPL cheerleaders show up. The most ridiculous example being the "friendly" between PacNW and a PSPL team that was cited 3 times recently, followed closely by the claim that PSPL "dominated" the PacNW Winter Classic B07s last year (which another poster immediately showed wasn't the case, by looking at the actual results).

              As someone else said, who cares about RCL vs. PSPL?! Find a coach, team and club that will help your kid develop as a player, increase their soccer IQ, and grow his/her love for the game.
              One moore time. that tournament result: Semifinal two PSPL teams and two canadian teams. No ones from RCL (this is RCL tournament)did not get groups. Is that "dominated" or not? Plus i wached that tournaments haw they played. Thanks.
              Firs teams from big clubs.... They took a bigger boys for winning the game NOW. When Southlake plays again ECNL teams it look like teens vs kids. Plus our team in scool look like midsize of all.... Who you think win the game?

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                #52
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Valor didnt win a game on the boys or girls side at any age at crossfire challenge
                Ouch...

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  One moore time. that tournament result: Semifinal two PSPL teams and two canadian teams. No ones from RCL (this is RCL tournament)did not get groups. Is that "dominated" or not? Plus i wached that tournaments haw they played. Thanks.
                  Firs teams from big clubs.... They took a bigger boys for winning the game NOW. When Southlake plays again ECNL teams it look like teens vs kids. Plus our team in scool look like midsize of all.... Who you think win the game?
                  Sure, just keep repeating yourself and citing to one data point (perhaps two, if you've also been posting about the recent "friendly" between Southlake and PacNW), and demonstrate your ignorance.

                  As another poster ALREADY pointed out, the two PSPL teams that advanced...were in a group against PacNW B07 Blue (the 3rd team at that age group) and WPFC B08 Black, a 1st team albeit playing up an age group with the 07s.

                  http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/showpo...6&postcount=34

                  If you think that this demonstrates "dominance," you're beyond help.

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                    #54
                    Issaquah gunners on the girls side u15 and up all either had 1 win or less except for the u19 team at the crossfire challenge and none played in the top brackets this weekend. So please tell us all how the pspl is just as strong as the rcl. Gunners top teams played against rcl 2nd,3rd and 4th tier rcl teams and did awful.

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                      #55
                      Looks like only 1 ppl team even placed at crossifre challenge this weekend and it was in a lower division on the girls side

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                        #56
                        UhOh PSPL people. How does that look?

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          UhOh PSPL people. How does that look?
                          Sure, everyone keeps talking about the results at Crossfire, but come on, man, PSPL TOTALLY DOMINATED at Starfire's Seattle Cup last weekend!!! And just wait until the Sounders Cup next weekend!!!

                          /s

                          Don't worry. They'll be back to bleat incessantly about 1-2 cherry-picked data points soon enough.

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                            #58
                            Hold on.

                            Are you suggesting that PSPL's dominance WASN'T established by a meaningless "friendly" on a weeknight in June?!

                            People, we've been over this. Turn off the lights, RCL.

                            I've heard from at least 2 anonymous people on the Internet about this "friendly." One of them has also repeatedly pointed out that Seattle Celtic's U12s tied a WPFC U11 team, and even beat PAC C in January.

                            Discussion over, folks. Go home.

                            Or if you aren't scared, we'll see you at Starfire this weekend for the Sounders Cup. Winner takes all.

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                              #59
                              Some people are just too dumb to get that rcl clubs now are the 2nd teams of the bigger clubs . Rcl 1 is weak now and so is pspl which makes it a very even playing field now . I know you parents are telling anyone that listens that little Milly /Brandon plays for pac nw maroon now but leaving out the part that it’s effectively what’s left over from the 3rd and 4 the teams of the younger age groups . It’s ok wink wink 😉

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                                #60
                                Can anyone explain the benefit of a “closed” state league like the RCL? It seems to purposefully stifle competition and reduce consumer choice.

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