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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    This discussion has gotten off course - every MLS Academy faces some degree of competition from other other sports. Timbers rated particularly bad in part because there is a lack of commitment to bringing along local talent.
    Our local younger talent is already committed to paying the wages of millennial wanna be coaches at more clubs per capata than any area in United States.

    Clubs must meet payroll before all else.

    Where have you been?

    Timbers DA products only as good as the business day care club model can provide.

    This isn't rocket science.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Our local younger talent is already committed to paying the wages of millennial wanna be coaches at more clubs per capata than any area in United States.

      Clubs must meet payroll before all else.

      Where have you been?

      Timbers DA products only as good as the business day care club model can provide.

      This isn't rocket science.
      This is ridiculous - you really want to blame Timbers' Academy problems and lack of commitment to local players on, what for it . . . local clubs? Why don't you blame Obama - that would be almost as plausible.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        This is ridiculous - you really want to blame Timbers' Academy problems and lack of commitment to local players on, what for it . . . local clubs? Why don't you blame Obama - that would be almost as plausible.
        the only other plausible answer is we are talent starved at
        clubs devoid of coaching and players. Throw in dilution you have have all the ingredients for a crapppy Timbers DA.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          the only other plausible answer is we are talent starved at
          clubs devoid of coaching and players. Throw in dilution you have have all the ingredients for a crapppy Timbers DA.
          Again you are pointing the finger everywhere other than where the author did - Providence Park . . . author's gripe wasn't just lack of Portland talent making it through to the first team, but kids from Florida and Indiana who came into the academy (Nike clubs may be the cause of all evils in Portland, but hard to blame them for the development troubles in Indiana and Florida).

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Again you are pointing the finger everywhere other than where the author did - Providence Park . . . author's gripe wasn't just lack of Portland talent making it through to the first team, but kids from Florida and Indiana who came into the academy (Nike clubs may be the cause of all evils in Portland, but hard to blame them for the development troubles in Indiana and Florida).
            Bottom line Oregon clubs are not supplying the type of talent needed for an MLS Franchise.

            What an incredible insight. Seriously.

            Since each MLS side controls an Academy territory close to home, the Portland MLS Academy may have to go international to have any chance of being relevant in the MLS Academy structure. We don't live in LA, Dallas, Chicago, Seattle, NYC, Houston so what's the big deal. You can't get blood from a dried up rock in Portlandia.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Again you are pointing the finger everywhere other than where the author did - Providence Park . . . author's gripe wasn't just lack of Portland talent making it through to the first team, but kids from Florida and Indiana who came into the academy (Nike clubs may be the cause of all evils in Portland, but hard to blame them for the development troubles in Indiana and Florida).
              Getting decent talent from Indiana (no really a hotbed of professionals) or the panhandle of Florida, outside of Orlando & even Miami area is never going to bode well in building an Academy. Jus sayin.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                You're not listening. Try again: The US is already known for producing extremely athletic players.

                We need better soccer players, not better athletes.
                You need to listen- you can’t make people without the required level of hand eye coordination and dexterity (athletes) world class no matter who and how they are coached and in any environment. There are limitations on how far someone can go physically. In our case locally, you have parents willing to shell out hundreds of thousands of dollars for their physically limited group of kids and marry that with poor coaching you get TA

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  You need to listen- you can’t make people without the required level of hand eye coordination and dexterity (athletes) world class no matter who and how they are coached and in any environment. There are limitations on how far someone can go physically. In our case locally, you have parents willing to shell out hundreds of thousands of dollars for their physically limited group of kids and marry that with poor coaching you get TA
                  Coupled with the coaching/competition in the diluted 'club' leagues this is not a great recipe.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Coupled with the coaching/competition in the diluted 'club' leagues this is not a great recipe.
                    LOL, that article hit a nerve in Timbers' land.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      You need to listen- you can’t make people without the required level of hand eye coordination and dexterity (athletes) world class no matter who and how they are coached and in any environment. There are limitations on how far someone can go physically. In our case locally, you have parents willing to shell out hundreds of thousands of dollars for their physically limited group of kids and marry that with poor coaching you get TA
                      'hand-eye' coordination has very little to do with footwork. I know you want it to because it supports the typical low IQ meathead solution to getting better at every sport. Just get better athletes and it will all magically get better. Forget that we already have the most athletic national team on the planet. Just find faster stronger guys with better 'hand-eye' coordination...LOL.

                      The ideal soccer player doesn't look like a basketball or football player. Baseball players and their renowned fitness don't even merit discussion here. The simple reality is our soccer players aren't playing enough. Kids in other countries grow up playing 20-25hrs/week. Our academy kids are only getting 6-10/week. That's the difference. You could hire Pep Guardiola to coach the academy and he wouldn't get much better results with only 10hrs vs 25hrs.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        'hand-eye' coordination has very little to do with footwork. I know you want it to because it supports the typical low IQ meathead solution to getting better at every sport. Just get better athletes and it will all magically get better. Forget that we already have the most athletic national team on the planet. Just find faster stronger guys with better 'hand-eye' coordination...LOL.

                        The ideal soccer player doesn't look like a basketball or football player. Baseball players and their renowned fitness don't even merit discussion here. The simple reality is our soccer players aren't playing enough. Kids in other countries grow up playing 20-25hrs/week. Our academy kids are only getting 6-10/week. That's the difference. You could hire Pep Guardiola to coach the academy and he wouldn't get much better results with only 10hrs vs 25hrs.

                        Very simple there is no attraction or societal hook to play this foriegn sport other than a personal passion to play in a vacuum amidst the American Sporting landscape. You can't make the type of living as a pro in the sport compared to the big 3 (Football, BBall & Basebl). HS Football gets more TV weekly coverage than nearly every MLS Side. This country is huge and we have our own 'american' made sports that suck up every decent athlete first, no exceptions, the leftover american athletes (not able to play the big 3) and the immigrant kids from Soccer playing countries fill the rosters of ostensibly recreational participation centered teams, laughably labeled 'club's.

                        That's why (kids) aren't playing much, it's become organized day care class without an organic base of players working on their game.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Very simple there is no attraction or societal hook to play this foriegn sport other than a personal passion to play in a vacuum amidst the American Sporting landscape. You can't make the type of living as a pro in the sport compared to the big 3 (Football, BBall & Basebl). HS Football gets more TV weekly coverage than nearly every MLS Side. This country is huge and we have our own 'american' made sports that suck up every decent athlete first, no exceptions, the leftover american athletes (not able to play the big 3) and the immigrant kids from Soccer playing countries fill the rosters of ostensibly recreational participation centered teams, laughably labeled 'club's.

                          That's why (kids) aren't playing much, it's become organized day care class without an organic base of players working on their game.
                          Pay to play in a nutshell....

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Dude those countries produce a lot more studs per capita than we do in the northwest. All the studs in the US play football and basketball. Soccer gets sloppy seconds.
                            Spot on.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Pay to play in a nutshell....
                              Spot on.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Very simple there is no attraction or societal hook to play this foriegn sport other than a personal passion to play in a vacuum amidst the American Sporting landscape. You can't make the type of living as a pro in the sport compared to the big 3 (Football, BBall & Basebl). HS Football gets more TV weekly coverage than nearly every MLS Side. This country is huge and we have our own 'american' made sports that suck up every decent athlete first, no exceptions, the leftover american athletes (not able to play the big 3) and the immigrant kids from Soccer playing countries fill the rosters of ostensibly recreational participation centered teams, laughably labeled 'club's.

                                That's why (kids) aren't playing much, it's become organized day care class without an organic base of players working on their game.
                                More meathead logic. Take a peak at any premier league or La Liga roster to see why our football and basketball players aren't needed. If bigger, faster, stronger worked then that's what you'd see.

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