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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Sample size of 32? This study is invalid. One or two injuries, "by chance" would drastically affect the results. These pros also train 5, 6, and 7 days in some weeks (on the field, in pools, in weight rooms .... far more than the average premier player in the US). Sorry, you need to find a better study. Does it also quantify the effects of heavy scrimmaging for additional days which my kids club does often (whether they have a game on a weekend or not)? Sorry, the sample size has to be much larger than 32 players on a single team (since teams do not all practice/play in the same manner).
    Look it up for yourself. Found plenty of studies showing performance issues without rest.

    That would require you to remove your head from the sand and see the bright sun.

    Otherwise, keep it buried and think all is well

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...50757820969918

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Look it up for yourself. Found plenty of studies showing performance issues without rest.

      That would require you to remove your head from the sand and see the bright sun.

      Otherwise, keep it buried and think all is well

      https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...50757820969918
      No thanks, I will just criticize the study you put forth as scientific. Sorry, without residency, and in larger regional or national leagues 2 games on weekends are unavoidable and 1 game every week or 2 is simply not enough. This is the DA model and it doesnt work. With smaller, more local leagues (tough to do in our region right? .... only a dozen or so quality teams within 45 minutes of our clubs), teams could play a game on a wednesday night and then again on a sunday .... as it is set up now, DC United has to travel to Montreal for a single game. Nice! Does DA mandate 4:1 because it is the proper way to develop or because it is the only feasible thing they can do with their ridiculous league set up???? 3:2 is far more realistic and if coaches are doing it right, they should have different core line-ups for each day. Furthermore, ECNL subbing rules are not the same as FIFAs or DAs so kids do not have to go 90 for each game and can get breaks.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        No thanks, I will just criticize the study you put forth as scientific. Sorry, without residency, and in larger regional or national leagues 2 games on weekends are unavoidable and 1 game every week or 2 is simply not enough. This is the DA model and it doesnt work. With smaller, more local leagues (tough to do in our region right? .... only a dozen or so quality teams within 45 minutes of our clubs), teams could play a game on a wednesday night and then again on a sunday .... as it is set up now, DC United has to travel to Montreal for a single game. Nice! Does DA mandate 4:1 because it is the proper way to develop or because it is the only feasible thing they can do with their ridiculous league set up???? 3:2 is far more realistic and if coaches are doing it right, they should have different core line-ups for each day. Furthermore, ECNL subbing rules are not the same as FIFAs or DAs so kids do not have to go 90 for each game and can get breaks.
        the league setup is no more ridiculous than ECNL.

        One has league in their name, the other has development in their name.

        I would think this is self explanatory.

        3/2 v 4/1 should be pretty evident what the concentration is.

        Should be....

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Look it up for yourself. Found plenty of studies showing performance issues without rest.

          That would require you to remove your head from the sand and see the bright sun.

          Otherwise, keep it buried and think all is well

          https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...50757820969918
          Besides the obvious flaws with your link and claims, you are also assuming that ECNL coaches are playing the same players with equal intensity over the course of two days. In fact many do not. As stated the sub rules also make it easier to move tired players in and out while giving the ones who rested more the day before more PT. With GDA you may drive 5+ hours and literally never get one minute of PT. With ECNL you may not play much Day one but a ton Day 2.

          Other posters are right - one game/week isn't enough, plenty of DA clubs don't practice x/week. Two games isn't ideal but it is very workable. It also is a far more efficient way to deal with our geography and travel/time/$ .

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            the league setup is no more ridiculous than ECNL.

            One has league in their name, the other has development in their name.

            I would think this is self explanatory.

            3/2 v 4/1 should be pretty evident what the concentration is.

            Should be....
            But it also assumes that the quality of the training is uniformly good. If it's four days/week of lousy coaching you might be better off with less training. Not even all the BDA coaches have their licensure let alone GDA coaches in a new league. The pros and cons of one over the other will be highly dependent on what local clubs you have to chose from.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              But it also assumes that the quality of the training is uniformly good. If it's four days/week of lousy coaching you might be better off with less training. Not even all the BDA coaches have their licensure let alone GDA coaches in a new league. The pros and cons of one over the other will be highly dependent on what local clubs you have to chose from.
              That's a different discussion altogether. I won't go into the details about the clubs nor even the ******* match between GDA and ECNL.

              Only that, from a development and wear & tear perspective, 4/1 is better than 3/2.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Do colleges play back to back games?

                "Intensity" What the heck does that mean? 3/2 is a bad model for developing players and bad for their health.
                Agreed. Back to back game is never good if they are high level. Sounds like high school. No wonder ECNL doesn't mind hs. It's the same thought process.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  the league setup is no more ridiculous than ECNL.

                  One has league in their name, the other has development in their name.

                  I would think this is self explanatory.

                  3/2 v 4/1 should be pretty evident what the concentration is.

                  Should be....
                  One has elite in their name .... does that make them so and the other one not?? Marketers must love you!

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    That's a different discussion altogether. I won't go into the details about the clubs nor even the ******* match between GDA and ECNL.

                    Only that, from a development and wear & tear perspective, 4/1 is better than 3/2.
                    Scientific data links please. Your opinion still has no merit.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      One has elite in their name .... does that make them so and the other one not?? Marketers must love you!
                      "Elite" is the most overused, and most deceiving, word in youth soccer.

                      So, yeah, sounds like it fits....

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Per typical US Soccer ... those details are merely nice suggestions. Even some boys DA programs do not practice 4x per week and many GDA clubs do not. Licensure for coaches (after 10 years on the boys side) are still not up to regulation at many DA clubs .... forget about the GDA clubs who were NPL (or less) 18 months ago. Roster sizes mean nothing either. Don't pay attention to the "regulations" they are merely ways US Soccer can badger lesser clubs .... most clubs, regardless of size, dont pay attention to them and you should not either.
                        The one rule that is adhered to is the entry rules with DA/GDA. There are GDA clubs that were not NPL; that were ECNL. And most try to keep the roster size workable since there is a percentage amount of play time that is also a requirement by USSF. So if the kid is on the roster, he/she must start a certain percentage of time. In ECNL a kid can start and then be immediately subbed out, in DA/GDA, that counts toward a team's limited substitutions so even bubble or end of the roster kids get starting time and a decent amount of playing time once on the field. This helps for development.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          The one rule that is adhered to is the entry rules with DA/GDA. There are GDA clubs that were not NPL; that were ECNL. And most try to keep the roster size workable since there is a percentage amount of play time that is also a requirement by USSF. So if the kid is on the roster, he/she must start a certain percentage of time. In ECNL a kid can start and then be immediately subbed out, in DA/GDA, that counts toward a team's limited substitutions so even bubble or end of the roster kids get starting time and a decent amount of playing time once on the field. This helps for development.
                          Or, conversely, DA only cares about 25% starts. 10 minutes at beginning of game counts toward that. Also, many kids play a token 15 minutes at end of game after it has been decided. This rule serves no purpose on the girls side as the culmination of their club days is college soccer and the subbing rules are far more generous. This rule stifles play for many DA players, it does not enhance it. Rosters of 18 on gameday where only 16 can play ... nice.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            10 minutes at beginning of game counts toward that. Also, many kids play a token 15 minutes at end of game after it has been decided.
                            Link?

                            But, honestly, I blame the parents if this were the case. Foolish to put their kid in an environment that is above their head.

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                              #29
                              Thank you US Soccer for making a total mockery out of the girls program by allowing Cedar Stars North in. Your work in destroying what could have been a decent league is not done

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Thank you US Soccer for making a total mockery out of the girls program by allowing Cedar Stars North in. Your work in destroying what could have been a decent league is not done
                                They'll end up taking some kids from the NYCFC/WCFC debacle. Some of those kids do not want to play ECNL and there's too many kids for one team now.

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