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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    You're an idiot or a liar .... really? Spending less? PLEASE!
    It is not a lie. If you play on a USYS team that has to do showcase events, the regional leagues, state cup, regionals and nationals, it cost more and the time requirement is greater. If you are on a USYS team that is not one of the better teams, and doesn't do the regional/national leagues, or the showcase events that require flights, then yes, you are not paying that much. You play more, you pay more, and get much less result. And often vs. low level teams. This is a fact.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      But your kid isn't capable and 5 grand and a patch sleeve should not be enough to give your kid that opportunity. Sorry, boys or girls teams for Delco and bucks would be mediocre in EDP 1st division. Glad you think you bought a golden ticket but you will see that you are the cool in a few more years .... One born every minute.
      Every year this is said, and every year the Delco and Bucks teams give in, play a friendly vs. non ECNL teams and beat them without a problem. The FC Bucks situation might be different right now since the club is a mess, and there is no doubt Delco and Bucks are now at the bottom. But over the years there has been a clear difference between ECNL and DA clubs vs. non ECNL and DA clubs. The standards are better. Delco isn't a girls club, never has been and they have only ever had success from outside people bringing them entire teams or doing good recruiting. Delco has only been as good as the coach with recruiting ability. FC Bucks used to have good leadership, and the club has great numbers and a nice player pool. Very simple to get Bucks back on track if they get rid of the people running the club. Change the leadership at FC Bucks!

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        It is not a lie. If you play on a USYS team that has to do showcase events, the regional leagues, state cup, regionals and nationals, it cost more and the time requirement is greater. If you are on a USYS team that is not one of the better teams, and doesn't do the regional/national leagues, or the showcase events that require flights, then yes, you are not paying that much. You play more, you pay more, and get much less result. And often vs. low level teams. This is a fact.
        Well you could say that at the EDP level you actually have to earn your way into paying more - not all teams will make regionals and nationals and they don’t HAVE to play in the tournaments that require flights

        At ECNL level regardless of the level of team you have to do at least two ECNL showcases which will require flights and then all the travel that is required in just the regular season - whether the team or club is good or bad it’s all mandated.

        The ECNL playoffs are the only events that have to actually be earned - but 80% of the ECNL teams do make some level of the ECNL playoffs.

        BUT GUESS WHAT - almost all of the bucks and Delco teams are not earning their way to the post season ECNL - what does that tell you if 80% of ECNL Teams make the playoffs but Bucks and Delco don’t?

        All ECNL clubs are not created equal - Bucks and Delco are ECNL in name only , and that is why people are not flocking to them anymore.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Well you could say that at the EDP level you actually have to earn your way into paying more - not all teams will make regionals and nationals and they don’t HAVE to play in the tournaments that require flights

          At ECNL level regardless of the level of team you have to do at least two ECNL showcases which will require flights and then all the travel that is required in just the regular season - whether the team or club is good or bad it’s all mandated.

          The ECNL playoffs are the only events that have to actually be earned - but 80% of the ECNL teams do make some level of the ECNL playoffs.

          BUT GUESS WHAT - almost all of the bucks and Delco teams are not earning their way to the post season ECNL - what does that tell you if 80% of ECNL Teams make the playoffs but Bucks and Delco don’t?

          All ECNL clubs are not created equal - Bucks and Delco are ECNL in name only , and that is why people are not flocking to them anymore.
          And everything you have written shows the problem of EDP, or other play for fun leagues. If you want your child to gain exposure you play ECNL. The majority of teams and players have a chance to play in front of college programs. It is a great structure. ECNL and DA are a far better playing experience for players. The three national events in one year out weight anything going on with EDP over a four year period. Hey, if you think your EDP club is so good, get them into ECNL.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Every year this is said, and every year the Delco and Bucks teams give in, play a friendly vs. non ECNL teams and beat them without a problem. The FC Bucks situation might be different right now since the club is a mess, and there is no doubt Delco and Bucks are now at the bottom. But over the years there has been a clear difference between ECNL and DA clubs vs. non ECNL and DA clubs. The standards are better. Delco isn't a girls club, never has been and they have only ever had success from outside people bringing them entire teams or doing good recruiting. Delco has only been as good as the coach with recruiting ability. FC Bucks used to have good leadership, and the club has great numbers and a nice player pool. Very simple to get Bucks back on track if they get rid of the people running the club. Change the leadership at FC Bucks!
            Not sure this is true anymore - the 2006 Bucks ECNL team had their asses handed to them on Sunday by a Real team - NJ Real (EDP) 3 - Bucks ECNL - 0! And it wasn’t even a game.

            Get Real peeps!

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              And everything you have written shows the problem of EDP, or other play for fun leagues. If you want your child to gain exposure you play ECNL. The majority of teams and players have a chance to play in front of college programs. It is a great structure. ECNL and DA are a far better playing experience for players. The three national events in one year out weight anything going on with EDP over a four year period. Hey, if you think your EDP club is so good, get them into ECNL.
              Again I think ECNL is a great league - but Bucks and Delco are ECNL in name only. Period. They are no better than a top EDP team in this area - we are not talking on a national level. The reason people aren’t flocking to Bucks and Delco is because they offer nothing more than a top EDP team - again we are talking this area!

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Not sure this is true anymore - the 2006 Bucks ECNL team had their asses handed to them on Sunday by a Real team - NJ Real (EDP) 3 - Bucks ECNL - 0! And it wasn’t even a game.

                Get Real peeps!
                That was kind of the point of this thread.. If these teams play each other in 2 years will it be 3-0 for Bucks?

                I'm not going to discuss Bucks training schedule (every other thread does that) but at Delco they train 3x per week plus a speed/agility session all at PG. No EDP team can offer anything close and that is what you are paying for at Delco and (maybe) Bucks. Who cares about results at u13/u14/u15.

                Do ECNL get all the good players by u16 or has EDP changed things so that players will stay at their clubs..? Is it too early to tell?

                Youth Soccer Rankings:
                2007
                1 PF
                3 Ukies
                4 LMSC
                6 PSC
                8 Europa
                14 Delco
                15 Bucks


                2003
                1 Delco
                4 Bucks
                6 PF
                14 PSC
                17 Europa
                22 LMSC
                59 Ukies

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Not sure this is true anymore - the 2006 Bucks ECNL team had their asses handed to them on Sunday by a Real team - NJ Real (EDP) 3 - Bucks ECNL - 0! And it wasn’t even a game.

                  Get Real peeps!
                  That was very embarrassing to lose to a township team with another dad coach no less. Should not be losing to teams from inferior leagues. The Bucks product needs to be revamped, player quality is there.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    That was kind of the point of this thread.. If these teams play each other in 2 years will it be 3-0 for Bucks?

                    I'm not going to discuss Bucks training schedule (every other thread does that) but at Delco they train 3x per week plus a speed/agility session all at PG. No EDP team can offer anything close and that is what you are paying for at Delco and (maybe) Bucks. Who cares about results at u13/u14/u15.

                    Do ECNL get all the good players by u16 or has EDP changed things so that players will stay at their clubs..? Is it too early to tell?

                    Youth Soccer Rankings:
                    2007
                    1 PF
                    3 Ukies
                    4 LMSC
                    6 PSC
                    8 Europa
                    14 Delco
                    15 Bucks


                    2003
                    1 Delco
                    4 Bucks
                    6 PF
                    14 PSC
                    17 Europa
                    22 LMSC
                    59 Ukies

                    Time will tell... but if Bucks and Delco don’t start committing the kids to D1 colleges they aren’t going to have the appeal they once did.

                    So a smart consumer can have their kids play EDP until U16 then switch to bucks or Delco if the kid wants to play D1 soccer at the point. There really is no need to play ECNL at u13,U14,U15.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      It is not a lie. If you play on a USYS team that has to do showcase events, the regional leagues, state cup, regionals and nationals, it cost more and the time requirement is greater. If you are on a USYS team that is not one of the better teams, and doesn't do the regional/national leagues, or the showcase events that require flights, then yes, you are not paying that much. You play more, you pay more, and get much less result. And often vs. low level teams. This is a fact.
                      Yes, IF all of your crazy-@ss hypotheticals were true, then it would be more .... but, alas, they are not. All of the flying trips are requirements of ECNL and DA clubs. Member clubs of other leagues may or may not do a single flying (or long drive .... a la Jeff Cup or CASL) trip (like Disney) but please dont say they all do regionals, nationals, west coast showcases ..... it simply is not true. Just because your league and club hold you hostage to make more money off of hotel stays does not mean other leagues do the same. How many DA clubs do a week of training near seattle or a trip to europe almost every year that are mandatory ..... do USYS teams also mandate those? C'mon ..... no one is buying the garbage you are trying to sell. No way to sugar coat that ECNL and DA are really expensive, cute little hobbies which most parents use as water cooler bragging fodder to other know-nothings.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Every year this is said, and every year the Delco and Bucks teams give in, play a friendly vs. non ECNL teams and beat them without a problem. The FC Bucks situation might be different right now since the club is a mess, and there is no doubt Delco and Bucks are now at the bottom. But over the years there has been a clear difference between ECNL and DA clubs vs. non ECNL and DA clubs. The standards are better. Delco isn't a girls club, never has been and they have only ever had success from outside people bringing them entire teams or doing good recruiting. Delco has only been as good as the coach with recruiting ability. FC Bucks used to have good leadership, and the club has great numbers and a nice player pool. Very simple to get Bucks back on track if they get rid of the people running the club. Change the leadership at FC Bucks!
                        Yeah, they schedule early games against cones to get a little light work in and get some confidence tossing in 7. No one in ECNL or DA is looking for competitive non-league games for a very good reason .... to uphold the ILLUSION OF SUPERIORITY. I am not saying the top teams in each league are not, generally very good, it's the other 80% of the teams. How would that work out if our local "STUD" teams were in dog-fight friendlies every few weeks against the local riff-raff clubs? In the long run, which way would kids flow .... to the ECNL teams they can already play with (and spend a fortune more) or to the competitive non-ECNL teams where they could save a fortune? How'd the games against Real go last week, BTW? For many age groups, how would games for local ECNL and DA teams go against their counterparts like Ukies, PSC, or Real?

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Yeah, they schedule early games against cones to get a little light work in and get some confidence tossing in 7. No one in ECNL or DA is looking for competitive non-league games for a very good reason .... to uphold the ILLUSION OF SUPERIORITY. I am not saying the top teams in each league are not, generally very good, it's the other 80% of the teams. How would that work out if our local "STUD" teams were in dog-fight friendlies every few weeks against the local riff-raff clubs? In the long run, which way would kids flow .... to the ECNL teams they can already play with (and spend a fortune more) or to the competitive non-ECNL teams where they could save a fortune? How'd the games against Real go last week, BTW? For many age groups, how would games for local ECNL and DA teams go against their counterparts like Ukies, PSC, or Real?
                          At least ECNL teams play the game the right way, the other teams (PSC, Real etc) from lower leagues it’s kick and run and trying to out physical all the way. So you have a clear choice, win at U13/14/15 or really learn how to play the game the right way.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Yeah, they schedule early games against cones to get a little light work in and get some confidence tossing in 7. No one in ECNL or DA is looking for competitive non-league games for a very good reason .... to uphold the ILLUSION OF SUPERIORITY. I am not saying the top teams in each league are not, generally very good, it's the other 80% of the teams. How would that work out if our local "STUD" teams were in dog-fight friendlies every few weeks against the local riff-raff clubs? In the long run, which way would kids flow .... to the ECNL teams they can already play with (and spend a fortune more) or to the competitive non-ECNL teams where they could save a fortune? How'd the games against Real go last week, BTW? For many age groups, how would games for local ECNL and DA teams go against their counterparts like Ukies, PSC, or Real?
                            In the past both Penn Fusion and Continental FC Delco always played the best USYS teams from NJ, EPA and DE in winter friendly games. DE United, Lower Merion, YMS, NJ Stallion, NJ Copa, Reading Rage and many others always wanted to play the ECNL teams, and they ALWAYS lost to those ECNL teams. 1776 were smart, and always stayed away. Penn Fusion and Continental FC Delco used those games as an opportunity to recruit from these clubs, and it worked!

                            FC Bucks are only getting by from athletic kids and a large CRUSA player pool. The coaching and leadership at FC Bucks is rock bottom! FC Bucks as a club are heading for the bottom. The 06 team is a total mess and the coaches need to go. The DOC at FC Bucks needs to go.

                            FC Delco is already at rock bottom. FC Delco had started rounding the corner, and were doing well only a few years ago, and then the hiring of the brothers, the fat lady, and the totally incompetent hillbilly all led to the death of girls side. The new hires don’t have the necessary understanding of how to fix the problems, nice guys, no clue.

                            There is a very good opportunity for another club to step in and gain an ECNL spot in EPA and that club would have no problem pulling FC Bucks and Delco kids if the product is better, which wouldn't be hard.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              At least ECNL teams play the game the right way, the other teams (PSC, Real etc) from lower leagues it’s kick and run and trying to out physical all the way. So you have a clear choice, win at U13/14/15 or really learn how to play the game the right way.
                              Are you sh|tting me?! Ecnl teams playing the right way? Same percentage of teams as other leagues with left footed heffers hooving at the ball and launching it .... Sometimes even more because many teams do have speed and overly depend on it all of the time

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                In the past both Penn Fusion and Continental FC Delco always played the best USYS teams from NJ, EPA and DE in winter friendly games. DE United, Lower Merion, YMS, NJ Stallion, NJ Copa, Reading Rage and many others always wanted to play the ECNL teams, and they ALWAYS lost to those ECNL teams. 1776 were smart, and always stayed away. Penn Fusion and Continental FC Delco used those games as an opportunity to recruit from these clubs, and it worked!

                                FC Bucks are only getting by from athletic kids and a large CRUSA player pool. The coaching and leadership at FC Bucks is rock bottom! FC Bucks as a club are heading for the bottom. The 06 team is a total mess and the coaches need to go. The DOC at FC Bucks needs to go.

                                FC Delco is already at rock bottom. FC Delco had started rounding the corner, and were doing well only a few years ago, and then the hiring of the brothers, the fat lady, and the totally incompetent hillbilly all led to the death of girls side. The new hires don’t have the necessary understanding of how to fix the problems, nice guys, no clue.

                                There is a very good opportunity for another club to step in and gain an ECNL spot in EPA and that club would have no problem pulling FC Bucks and Delco kids if the product is better, which wouldn't be hard.
                                I'm not sure but your post seems to be supporting my statement. local ecnl and da clubs will no longer play any non national league competition for fear of losing. They used to play because they had no issues beating these teams handily. Those days are gone.

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