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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Honestly the rule is so stupid. Just let the kids play HS. Let them make their own decisions and let them own up to it if they have conflicts. This acting like its life or death if the player misses a practice or a game for either the club or the school is ridiculous. They have 20+ kid rosters for a reason so find a way to field the best team you can on the day you play and stop worrying about this stuff.
    I am guessing it is competing clubs carrying on about this issue. I dont think anyone else cares.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Honestly the rule is so stupid. Just let the kids play HS. Let them make their own decisions and let them own up to it if they have conflicts. This acting like its life or death if the player misses a practice or a game for either the club or the school is ridiculous. They have 20+ kid rosters for a reason so find a way to field the best team you can on the day you play and stop worrying about this stuff.
      There's a reason for the rule. Whether you agree with it or not is up to each of us.

      They are looking to have "control" over the entire soccer experience. From the training to the fitness testing to the minutes, etc. Think of it from a scientific approach: If someone taints your sample, then you can't trust the data. So, by eliminating other influences you have a sterile data set.

      Most HS will not allow you to miss time for other influences, so if you are doing both you are essentially saying your Club is taking a back seat. Then, you have those who are playing and doing their part, only to be pushed aside when the HS comes back.

      Not sure it will work in the end nor am I saying I personally agree with it, but that is the reasoning and it does make some sense.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        There's a reason for the rule. Whether you agree with it or not is up to each of us.

        They are looking to have "control" over the entire soccer experience. From the training to the fitness testing to the minutes, etc. Think of it from a scientific approach: If someone taints your sample, then you can't trust the data. So, by eliminating other influences you have a sterile data set.

        Most HS will not allow you to miss time for other influences, so if you are doing both you are essentially saying your Club is taking a back seat. Then, you have those who are playing and doing their part, only to be pushed aside when the HS comes back.

        Not sure it will work in the end nor am I saying I personally agree with it, but that is the reasoning and it does make some sense.
        Your sterile data set makes sense if you want to finance it. But apparently the paying customers who have to finance this deal are not interested in your sterile data set. Oh well.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Honestly the rule is so stupid. Just let the kids play HS. Let them make their own decisions and let them own up to it if they have conflicts. This acting like its life or death if the player misses a practice or a game for either the club or the school is ridiculous. They have 20+ kid rosters for a reason so find a way to field the best team you can on the day you play and stop worrying about this stuff.
          The rule serves a purpose - doing both in the same season is far too much. Risks of exhaustion and injury sky rocket. since different parts of the country play HS soccer at different times of the year it's tough to just stop DA for awhile for HS.

          That, and USSF simply abhors it. Problem is they look like fools when people heat the system in plain view. Either have the rule or don't, but don't have the rule and look the other way.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            The rule serves a purpose - doing both in the same season is far too much. Risks of exhaustion and injury sky rocket. since different parts of the country play HS soccer at different times of the year it's tough to just stop DA for awhile for HS.

            That, and USSF simply abhors it. Problem is they look like fools when people heat the system in plain view. Either have the rule or don't, but don't have the rule and look the other way.
            Well they wont have as many strong players in the league if they won't overlook it.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Well they wont have as many strong players in the league if they won't overlook it.
              I think they accept that reality. Honestly, the players who want to push their DA club to the back aren't ones they want. Over time, they will be successful in that, but for now they have to accept it and turn a blind eye. It's especially tougher for kids at the older ages; younger, who were never playing for HS to begin with, the hope is this will be less of an occurrence.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Well they wont have as many strong players in the league if they won't overlook it.
                For sure, but then they're just hypocrites and shouldn't expect people to obey the rules if they ignore it themselves.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I think they accept that reality. Honestly, the players who want to push their DA club to the back aren't ones they want. Over time, they will be successful in that, but for now they have to accept it and turn a blind eye. It's especially tougher for kids at the older ages; younger, who were never playing for HS to begin with, the hope is this will be less of an occurrence.
                  I don't think that's necessarily the case. Sure some who skip HS may be more serious, but there's other who are willing to skip HS because theirs sucks or they don't play much. Those aren't the players you want. Just because you want to play HS doesn't mean you aren't serious about soccer. It's DA that's telling them they're not serious. Not all players buy that line. And it's hard to take DA seriously when they're not taking their own rule seriously

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                    #24
                    Nysc

                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    I don't think that's necessarily the case. Sure some who skip HS may be more serious, but there's other who are willing to skip HS because theirs sucks or they don't play much. Those aren't the players you want. Just because you want to play HS doesn't mean you aren't serious about soccer. It's DA that's telling them they're not serious. Not all players buy that line. And it's hard to take DA seriously when they're not taking their own rule seriously
                    the "no hs rule" by da was just strictly marketing gimmick to portray the "we are the most serious about soccer" attitude.....obviously it has backfired.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      I think they accept that reality. Honestly, the players who want to push their DA club to the back aren't ones they want. Over time, they will be successful in that, but for now they have to accept it and turn a blind eye. It's especially tougher for kids at the older ages; younger, who were never playing for HS to begin with, the hope is this will be less of an occurrence.
                      Huh? The DA wants the strongest players that can pay the money like every other league. Some of those players want to participate in HS soccer and some do not.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        the "no hs rule" by da was just strictly marketing gimmick to portray the "we are the most serious about soccer" attitude.....obviously it has backfired.
                        Look if USSF wants that rule, fine. Maybe the rule is appropriate for the top 1% who really have the potential to go pro or be on the national team. But it definitely isn't desired or necessary by many of the remaining 99% and those who opt to stay out of DA altogether because they won't give up HS. It goes to the fact that DA is too big for the type of player USSF cares about. The 99% are practice cones to them and all those kids want is to play in college.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Look if USSF wants that rule, fine. Maybe the rule is appropriate for the top 1% who really have the potential to go pro or be on the national team. But it definitely isn't desired or necessary by many of the remaining 99% and those who opt to stay out of DA altogether because they won't give up HS. It goes to the fact that DA is too big for the type of player USSF cares about. The 99% are practice cones to them and all those kids want is to play in college.
                          I agree, and if the USSF want to put up their money where their mouth is and say no HS but we will find your DA soccer then that would be a different story. Until then it is just another league.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            I agree, and if the USSF want to put up their money where their mouth is and say no HS but we will find your DA soccer then that would be a different story. Until then it is just another league.
                            They won't do that. It is a league. A luxury soccer league for talented middle and upper income girls with nice facilities and expensive kits and tons of silly travel. Nothing wrong with it but it is not that special unfortunately.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Huh? The DA wants the strongest players that can pay the money like every other league. Some of those players want to participate in HS soccer and some do not.
                              Of course they “want” every good player. But they also are willing to accept reality and if there are players who are more concerned with the social aspects they accept that reality. It’s not a player they want to fight over

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Of course they “want” every good player. But they also are willing to accept reality and if there are players who are more concerned with the social aspects they accept that reality. It’s not a player they want to fight over
                                HS soccer is also funded by the community instead of the players pocket so in spite of your simplistic dismissal the situation is more complex.

                                but at the end of the day, all club soccer is pay to play from ecnl and gda on down except for mls da.

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