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While Stanford may be on the extreme end... the poster is generally correct. Top D1 talent is identified by age 14.

Bringing this back to BS. It makes it all the more crazy when MK tries to convince academy parents of the pro/D1 dream. Any parent of a uLittle with legit pro/D1 talent should know by age 14. Therefore paying $4k to be in MK's DA club if you've not already been in contact with pro/D1 coaches is just a waste of money (or delusional thinking).

Perfect example is TS. He was a BS kid for a while, but by the time he was 12 or 13, he was on NYCFC, playing for US U15, and speaking to colleges. I don't know exactly when he committed to Stanford officially but most people knew he was going there when he was still a Sophmore.

TS was on NYCFC at 12 or 13?

Was NYCFC even around when TS was 12 or 13?

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Given that much top d1 talent is international, nope, it's not identified at 14. Many only come to the US as 16 year old freshmen.

Agree with the other poster -- why get your panties in a bunch insisting all d1 players are id-ed at 14? It really cannot apply to you. Your son isn't going to Stanford and you are not a high level d1 coach.

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TS was on NYCFC at 12 or 13?

Was NYCFC even around when TS was 12 or 13?

NYSC then Beachside (NYSC did not have the older age groups and he wanted to play age group up) and then NYCFC.

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While Stanford may be on the extreme end... the poster is generally correct. Top D1 talent is identified by age 14.

Bringing this back to BS. It makes it all the more crazy when MK tries to convince academy parents of the pro/D1 dream. Any parent of a uLittle with legit pro/D1 talent should know by age 14. Therefore paying $4k to be in MK's DA club if you've not already been in contact with pro/D1 coaches is just a waste of money (or delusional thinking).

Perfect example is TS. He was a BS kid for a while, but by the time he was 12 or 13, he was on NYCFC, playing for US U15, and speaking to colleges. I don't know exactly when he committed to Stanford officially but most people knew he was going there when he was still a Sophmore.

you parents are pretty pathetic. Always jockeying, joysticking and smashing it out in any and every direction. Poor souls, but all you do in the end is pay my salary.

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NYSC then Beachside (NYSC did not have the older age groups and he wanted to play age group up) and then NYCFC.

Facts matter. He just started playing with NYCFC in fall 2017. In other words, 8-9 months ago.

http://nyfc.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams...ayer=263316581

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Those who keep trying to make the case that D1 recruiting takes place later than age 14/15 are simply trying to justify why their 14/15 year old did not hear from any coaches.

It is true that the weaker the program, the later they recruit. A school like Stanford is unquestionably speaking to 14 and 15 year olds (or younger). If you have even the slightest doubt... don't believe me or some other idiot on TS and simply email Kennedy at Stanford, Fahey at Notre Dame (they both handle this area and are nice enough to respond to a stupid question) or any other coach at a top program.

Some podunk D1 school in Mississippi will get to students later. Why? Because the studs will already have met with the top schools and the podunk school has no chance with the studs. They have no urgency because the solid kid will still be available to them in a year or two.

It's simple math. Roughly 200 D1 soccer programs. Each looking to add about 10 kids/year (scholarship and non scholarship). The top 25 programs are battling to the death to find 250 of the best (non-pro) prospects. Kids that good are unquestionably on MULTIPLE radars well before age 14/15. Once those kids are contacted by multiple coaches, they are nearly impossible to attract to lesser schools... so they don't bother and they have no choice but to expand the target talent pool. Expanding the talent pool means you can recruit later because the pretty good 14/15 year olds may develop into a strong player. Strong enough for the podunk school but not good enough for a top program.

I love the dads who posted "i have been through this with my kid". There is no way to verify, but I guarantee their kids are at a weaker D1 school or a stronger D1 school that is academically/geographically undesirable.

Your opinions are cute and your individual experience with 1 or 2 kids is not representative of what is happening nationally.

While this may have been true historically, how has the recent changes to recruiting timing enacted by NCAA changed this model/timing? More emphasis on club connections I imagine as D1 coaches can contact coaches and express interest, and players can contact coaches (but not vice versa).

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This whole debate started with this comment...

“If by the time your kid is 14 or 15 you are not getting calls from MLS programs, international clubs, or D1 coaches, you should direct his/her energy to activities that will help create opportunities to postively impact their lives.”

The narrative has since changed dramatically regarding the D1 college piece in relation to boys. The landscape is completely different for boys as compared to girls. There’s no arguing that. Simply take a look at TDS commitments by graduating class for girls, then look at boys. It’s night and day. You could look at it nationally or you could look at it locally by state, therein lies the truth.

The guy on here yapping that he knows everything about boys soccer recruiting timelines and claiming he’s got some type of inside info is a troll.

Bottom line, boys in general are not being recruited for D1 programs at 14 or 15, there are literally only a handful in our country. Girls is a different story, but this debate is about boys.

Here’s a link to the TDS database, facts don’t lie.

https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/sear...ea=commitments

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Beachside boys and talent drain

Back to a more interesting conversation for this site, and that is the talent drain away from Beachside.

Beachside left the NYCFC youth affiliate league because they felt that the relationship between them and NYCFC was one sided. But they fail to grasp the value of having kids taken by NYCFC, and promoting that they send kids there. In addition, the removal of the club from the league doesn't, in fact, prevent NYCFC from taking players there anymore than it did when they were members. There are a few kids going to NYCFC from Beachside 2017/2018 roster, and there will in the future as well. MK has accomplished nothing except the perception that a kid won't get a good look at NYCFC if they play at Beachside, and so kids are both leaving Beachside as players now, and future good players will BEGIN playing elsewhere.

As a poster said earlier in this 300 page backlash at Beachside, the true test is next year. If there is a similar drain of talent away from the club next year as there apparently has been this year, the club is sunk. You can't keep replacing high end talent with mid tier talent and remain competitive.

The future of Beachside rests in the 2018/2019 season, and they have an uphill battle ahead of themselves as their older teams that performed well a few years ago have aged out and they're now competing with the teams that began with the NYCFC Youth Affiliate, already depleted sides as talent drain wears on the club's quality.

I for one look forward to this day, not because I dislike Beachside, or the players/families there. But because I believe MK deserves this, his arrogance and fear tactics are from an era that has long since passed, and his dedication to a complete lack of adaptation warrants the club's demise.

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Given that much top d1 talent is international, nope, it's not identified at 14. Many only come to the US as 16 year old freshmen.

Agree with the other poster -- why get your panties in a bunch insisting all d1 players are id-ed at 14? It really cannot apply to you. Your son isn't going to Stanford and you are not a high level d1 coach.

I have to agree.

If your boy is not been at minimum invited to multiple regional level USSF talent center events or ID2 final pool then your kid it not currently that U14 unicorn stud. Maybe he will become one but later but paying for a college ID event is a waste of money and time for 99.999 percent at 13 / 14 years old.

EXACT soccer 3 day College ID clinics @ $900 or even $700 discount is a cattle call rip off.

Jess Gregory, If you try to peddle crap here your going to be eaten alive.

This not how an 8th grader should be spending his precious summer time and his parents their money. If he is good enough to be already on a top programs radar then he definitively does not need your garbage.

Your a national program so you should be able to list 10 players in the last 3 years who have made verbal commitments before end of 9th grade and done at least one of your clinics during that time.

here is a link to actual data

https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/coll...ation_aid44042

Be honest is your kid the top 8% of 1.3%(percent of highschool age male soccer players who go on to play D1 soccer). This is to top .103 percent of players. 1 out of 1000 will be good enough for some initial contact. Save your money and precious time.

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Back to a more interesting conversation for this site, and that is the talent drain away from Beachside.

Beachside left the NYCFC youth affiliate league because they felt that the relationship between them and NYCFC was one sided. But they fail to grasp the value of having kids taken by NYCFC, and promoting that they send kids there. In addition, the removal of the club from the league doesn't, in fact, prevent NYCFC from taking players there anymore than it did when they were members. There are a few kids going to NYCFC from Beachside 2017/2018 roster, and there will in the future as well. MK has accomplished nothing except the perception that a kid won't get a good look at NYCFC if they play at Beachside, and so kids are both leaving Beachside as players now, and future good players will BEGIN playing elsewhere.

As a poster said earlier in this 300 page backlash at Beachside, the true test is next year. If there is a similar drain of talent away from the club next year as there apparently has been this year, the club is sunk. You can't keep replacing high end talent with mid tier talent and remain competitive.

The future of Beachside rests in the 2018/2019 season, and they have an uphill battle ahead of themselves as their older teams that performed well a few years ago have aged out and they're now competing with the teams that began with the NYCFC Youth Affiliate, already depleted sides as talent drain wears on the club's quality.

I for one look forward to this day, not because I dislike Beachside, or the players/families there. But because I believe MK deserves this, his arrogance and fear tactics are from an era that has long since passed, and his dedication to a complete lack of adaptation warrants the club's demise.

BS had to distance themselves from nycfc in order to have his teams remain competitive in DAP. There's a real fear that the program will be relegated out if he doesn't field competitive teams.

Just handing over his best players to nycfc, for nothing in return, just wasn't viable. And the concept of sending top players to nycfc and then promoting that to attract other great players just doesn't hold water. BS always attracted the best, especially before nycfc came around.
Now, he has to cling on to the these top players the best he can.

Unfortunately, he doesn't know how adapt and a create an environment where best or near-best players want to stay.

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Defeatist

I have to agree.

If your boy is not been at minimum invited to multiple regional level USSF talent center events or ID2 final pool then your kid it not currently that U14 unicorn stud. Maybe he will become one but later but paying for a college ID event is a waste of money and time for 99.999 percent at 13 / 14 years old.

EXACT soccer 3 day College ID clinics @ $900 or even $700 discount is a cattle call rip off.

Jess Gregory, If you try to peddle crap here your going to be eaten alive.

This not how an 8th grader should be spending his precious summer time and his parents their money. If he is good enough to be already on a top programs radar then he definitively does not need your garbage.

Your a national program so you should be able to list 10 players in the last 3 years who have made verbal commitments before end of 9th grade and done at least one of your clinics during that time.

here is a link to actual data

https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/coll...ation_aid44042

Be honest is your kid the top 8% of 1.3%(percent of highschool age male soccer players who go on to play D1 soccer). This is to top .103 percent of players. 1 out of 1000 will be good enough for some initial contact. Save your money and precious time.

Wow... you sound like you've thrown in the towel before, must be easier for you now. There is no way your child will ever have an elite mind set with such a defeatist parent role model.

Good luck, your child will be just fine though. World needs fans as well as players.

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BS had to distance themselves from nycfc in order to have his teams remain competitive in DAP. There's a real fear that the program will be relegated out if he doesn't field competitive teams.

Just handing over his best players to nycfc, for nothing in return, just wasn't viable. And the concept of sending top players to nycfc and then promoting that to attract other great players just doesn't hold water. BS always attracted the best, especially before nycfc came around.
Now, he has to cling on to the these top players the best he can.

Unfortunately, he doesn't know how adapt and a create an environment where best or near-best players want to stay.

Has a BDA team ever been relegated?

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Has a BDA team ever been relegated?

Well South Central was forced to merge with BS

Typically, BDA clubs have had their full DAP status taken away and allowed only younger teams

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Well South Central was forced to merge with BS

Typically, BDA clubs have had their full DAP status taken away and allowed only younger teams

Which clubs?

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Wow... you sound like you've thrown in the towel before, must be easier for you now. There is no way your child will ever have an elite mind set with such a defeatist parent role model.

Good luck, your child will be just fine though. World needs fans as well as players.

I'm not the poster you are replying to, but you just outed yourself as a delusional u12 parent.

Good luck with your parental elite mindset, hope it works out for you.