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    Why is the Portland Timbers DA so bad?

    Is it the coaching?

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Is it the coaching?
    15/16s don't look very good at all. And don't give us the development over wins bs.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      15/16s don't look very good at all. And don't give us the development over wins bs.
      For the same reason Oregon soccer generally is mediocre, I guess: a small population base compared to most rivals.

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        #4
        Why is the Portland Timbers DA so bad?

        1. Disorganization
        2. Poor Coaching Staff
        3. Corruption system
        4. Money drive spot

        This list will go on and on

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Why is the Portland Timbers DA so bad?

          1. Disorganization
          2. Poor Coaching Staff
          3. Corruption system
          4. Money drive spot

          This list will go on and on
          Because it isn't that bad considering the overall talent within the state. You're going to go to Seattle and get beat. SoCal the same. You can beat the 2nd tier teams on occasion but if you think that the TA will be nationally elite then you've set the bar too high. Couple that with the fact that the same people that think 4 days of training per week will lead to burn out (Oregonians in general) and you have a perfect opportunity for people like you to ignorantly blast the TA and the GDA.

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            #6
            Places like Costa Rica beat the US

            What a crock of crap. Excuses excuses.

            Face it. Timbers academy coaches are just sheep that they brought in led by people who were second rate to begin with.

            You can tell Hasson I said that.

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              #7
              Oregon remains behind other states when it comes to development from ages 8-11, so you can't be surprised when 12 year olds show up at TA and they're already behind. Among the good Oregon players (i.e.the ones who aretnt behindn and can actually play and perform at the regional DA level) there's always a twist: they're not from here, have spent time abroad, have played outside the normal pathways, have a parent who played at a high level, etc.

              I'd argue that the top players here aren't measurably behind their counterparts in other geographies, it's just that there are comparatively few of them here. Again, this is as much a development problem as it is a function of population

              Remember though, TA's mission isn't to build good teams, it's to push the players with elite potential into the pro set-up. That's the mission, and that's how their success should be judged.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Places like Costa Rica beat the US

                What a crock of crap. Excuses excuses.

                Face it. Timbers academy coaches are just sheep that they brought in led by people who were second rate to begin with.

                You can tell Hasson I said that.
                OK, I'll tell him some anonymous person on an obscure website was ballsy enough to call him out. HE must know you by your name, Coward, is that right?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  OK, I'll tell him some anonymous person on an obscure website was ballsy enough to call him out. HE must know you by your name, Coward, is that right?
                  Please do. Know that many of us see right through him and all you lacking posers who are just trying to make money off of people while struggling to connect A to B.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Oregon remains behind other states when it comes to development from ages 8-11, so you can't be surprised when 12 year olds show up at TA and they're already behind. Among the good Oregon players (i.e.the ones who aretnt behindn and can actually play and perform at the regional DA level) there's always a twist: they're not from here, have spent time abroad, have played outside the normal pathways, have a parent who played at a high level, etc.

                    I'd argue that the top players here aren't measurably behind their counterparts in other geographies, it's just that there are comparatively few of them here. Again, this is as much a development problem as it is a function of population

                    Remember though, TA's mission isn't to build good teams, it's to push the players with elite potential into the pro set-up. That's the mission, and that's how their success should be judged.
                    They have done a poor job at their “mission”. You make the excuse that population base is the reason but that is not the case. Seattle California etc have multiple academies and when broken down that way most pull from similar numbers. The problem is really that they do not want or care about the youth academy it DOES NOT MAKE THEM MONEY ITS A REQUIRED COST AND THEREFORE HASSLE in their minds. They should be spending time identifying kids younger, creating training opportunities for those kids in addition to their respective clubs and fences need to be mended because of the shady and corrupt way things have been run for years.....

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Oregon remains behind other states when it comes to development from ages 8-11, so you can't be surprised when 12 year olds show up at TA and they're already behind. Among the good Oregon players (i.e.the ones who aretnt behindn and can actually play and perform at the regional DA level) there's always a twist: they're not from here, have spent time abroad, have played outside the normal pathways, have a parent who played at a high level, etc.

                      I'd argue that the top players here aren't measurably behind their counterparts in other geographies, it's just that there are comparatively few of them here. Again, this is as much a development problem as it is a function of population

                      Remember though, TA's mission isn't to build good teams, it's to push the players with elite potential into the pro set-up. That's the mission, and that's how their success should be judged.
                      There is an argument that (for whatever reasons) Oregon produced more pros prior to the advent of the Timbers Academy than they have since. On a per capita basis, both Washington and Oregon did very well during that era. Maybe a small window where Oregon got lucky, but the state did have some track record of producing pros.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        There is an argument that (for whatever reasons) Oregon produced more pros prior to the advent of the Timbers Academy than they have since. On a per capita basis, both Washington and Oregon did very well during that era. Maybe a small window where Oregon got lucky, but the state did have some track record of producing pros.
                        would add: both Washington and California have state cups, standings, i.e. competitiveness starting earlier than Oregon.

                        I realize contrary to the modern thinking about proper development environments, but maybe Oregon has become too soft to produce pros.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          There is an argument that (for whatever reasons) Oregon produced more pros prior to the advent of the Timbers Academy than they have since. On a per capita basis, both Washington and Oregon did very well during that era. Maybe a small window where Oregon got lucky, but the state did have some track record of producing pros.
                          But is that true? Counting SW Washington, here's a list of the top professionals or internationals who played youth soccer in the state of Oregon (players who played here in college but grew up elsewhere, like Kasey Keller, are not listed). To be on the list, one must either have played in MLS or an equivalent (or better) foreign league, or have been capped by a senior international team. (There are two exceptions to that listed here). Only male players are listed. In general, any international teams, current or most recent MLS-or-better pro team, college (if applicable), and youth club(s) or high school, if known.

                          Players are listed in reverse order of year of birth.

                          * Marco Farfan ('98, Portland Timbers, Timbers Academy, Eastside Timbers)
                          * Rubio Rubin ('96, USMNT, Club Tijuana, Westside Timbers, IMG Academy)
                          * Niko de Vera ('96, NY Red Bulls 2, Akron Univ, Timbers Academy, Westside Timbers, did he play for WashT ever?)
                          * Foster Langsdorf ('95, Portland Timbers, Stanford University, FC Portland, Washington Timbers)
                          * Dustin Corea ('92, El Salvador NT, Eastside)
                          * Danny Mwanga ('91, last MLS club was Colorado Rapids, Oregon State U, Westside Timbers)
                          * Erik Hurtado( '90, Vancouver Whitecaps, Santa Clara University, Westside Timbers)
                          * Alex Nimo ('90, US U20, IMG, FC Portland)
                          * Brent Richards ('90, Portland Timbers, U of Washington, Eastside)
                          * Ross Shrunk ('86, Colorado Rapids, Redlands U, Wilson HS)
                          * Chad Barrett ('85, Real Salt Lake, UCLA, Westside Timbers).
                          * Ty Harden ('84, Chicago Fire, U. of Washington, FC Portland)
                          * Rod Dyachenko ('83, last MLS club was DC United, UNLV, Westside Timbers)
                          * Ryan Cochrane ('83, New England Revolution, Santa Clara University, which youth club?)
                          * Nate Jaqua ('81, Seattle Sounders FC, U of Portland, South Eugene HS)
                          * Terry Boss ('81, Seattle Sounders FC, Tulsa, Corvallis HS Current head coach of OSU men's team)
                          * Josh Saunders ('81, Puerto Rico NT, NYCFC, Cal)
                          * Ian Fuller ('79, New England Revolution, Clemson, Tualatin HS)
                          * Chris Brown ('77, RSL, U. of Portland)
                          * CJ Brown ('75, Chicago Fire, San Jose State)
                          * Andrew Gregor ('75, Columbus Crew, U of Portland, FC Portland. Current assistant with T2).
                          * Paul Conway ('70, Northampton Town, Hartwick College, Jesuit HS)
                          * Joey Leonotti ('70, USMNT, U of Portland, Gladstone HS)
                          * Scott Benedeti ('66, UNAM Pumas, U. of Portland )
                          * Mike Getchell( '63, Monterrey, UCLA)
                          * Jim Gorsek ('55, USMNT)

                          There are a few interesting gaps in the list. For players born prior to 1980 or so, the modern club scene didn't really exist. Some players with MLS appearances only played in the early days when the league really sucked; I still included them.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            But is that true? Counting SW Washington, here's a list of the top professionals or internationals who played youth soccer in the state of Oregon (players who played here in college but grew up elsewhere, like Kasey Keller, are not listed). To be on the list, one must either have played in MLS or an equivalent (or better) foreign league, or have been capped by a senior international team. (There are two exceptions to that listed here). Only male players are listed. In general, any international teams, current or most recent MLS-or-better pro team, college (if applicable), and youth club(s) or high school, if known.

                            Players are listed in reverse order of year of birth.

                            * Marco Farfan ('98, Portland Timbers, Timbers Academy, Eastside Timbers)
                            * Rubio Rubin ('96, USMNT, Club Tijuana, Westside Timbers, IMG Academy)
                            * Niko de Vera ('96, NY Red Bulls 2, Akron Univ, Timbers Academy, Westside Timbers, did he play for WashT ever?)
                            * Foster Langsdorf ('95, Portland Timbers, Stanford University, FC Portland, Washington Timbers)
                            * Dustin Corea ('92, El Salvador NT, Eastside)
                            * Danny Mwanga ('91, last MLS club was Colorado Rapids, Oregon State U, Westside Timbers)
                            * Erik Hurtado( '90, Vancouver Whitecaps, Santa Clara University, Westside Timbers)
                            * Alex Nimo ('90, US U20, IMG, FC Portland)
                            * Brent Richards ('90, Portland Timbers, U of Washington, Eastside)
                            * Ross Shrunk ('86, Colorado Rapids, Redlands U, Wilson HS)
                            * Chad Barrett ('85, Real Salt Lake, UCLA, Westside Timbers).
                            * Ty Harden ('84, Chicago Fire, U. of Washington, FC Portland)
                            * Rod Dyachenko ('83, last MLS club was DC United, UNLV, Westside Timbers)
                            * Ryan Cochrane ('83, New England Revolution, Santa Clara University, which youth club?)
                            * Nate Jaqua ('81, Seattle Sounders FC, U of Portland, South Eugene HS)
                            * Terry Boss ('81, Seattle Sounders FC, Tulsa, Corvallis HS Current head coach of OSU men's team)
                            * Josh Saunders ('81, Puerto Rico NT, NYCFC, Cal)
                            * Ian Fuller ('79, New England Revolution, Clemson, Tualatin HS)
                            * Chris Brown ('77, RSL, U. of Portland)
                            * CJ Brown ('75, Chicago Fire, San Jose State)
                            * Andrew Gregor ('75, Columbus Crew, U of Portland, FC Portland. Current assistant with T2).
                            * Paul Conway ('70, Northampton Town, Hartwick College, Jesuit HS)
                            * Joey Leonotti ('70, USMNT, U of Portland, Gladstone HS)
                            * Scott Benedeti ('66, UNAM Pumas, U. of Portland )
                            * Mike Getchell( '63, Monterrey, UCLA)
                            * Jim Gorsek ('55, USMNT)

                            There are a few interesting gaps in the list. For players born prior to 1980 or so, the modern club scene didn't really exist. Some players with MLS appearances only played in the early days when the league really sucked; I still included them.
                            I think that soccer growth in popularity has led to more parody across the nation. Oregon was an early adopter to the soccer culture and may have reaped the benefits as a result. Now that all states are cultivating their own identity in soccer you're going to see the bigger States getting more the accolades. You can take football as a comparison.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Places like Costa Rica beat the US

                              What a crock of crap. Excuses excuses.

                              Face it. Timbers academy coaches are just sheep that they brought in led by people who were second rate to begin with.

                              You can tell Hasson I said that.
                              There are enough players in the metro area to build good teams. Trouble is that the PTFC management is not interested in true development and are the exact problem with the game in our country.

                              PTFC needs a complete overhaul with a new vision that mimics European clubs. Clubs that spend up to $7 million on their academies from age 8-19.

                              Not an academy where they run every player into the ground while only giving a select few at 13 years old the attention. They are missing the boat on 90% of the players in the area because they put all their chips in a select few at 14 years old and then bitch two years later when they don’t pan out and then decide to go out of state to grab a player who by the way never pans out either....all the while you have local talent like Rubio Rubin and Niko DeVera from Canas playing for the New York Red Bull’s because PTFC can’t figure out their local talent. I vote they send PTFC staff down to FC Dallas to learn how to end up with your starting 11 as all homegrown players....until then PTFC will waste their resources in south anerica

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