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    Oh my God.

    #2
    Out with the old.

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      #3
      Complete utter failure. . . .lost out to might Panama and Honduras.

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        #4
        https://goo.gl/images/to7Vyw

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          #5
          US soccer has to be considered the biggest embarrassment of all national teams. You start the Development Academies and force kids to choose between high school and club soccer. It's been 10 years and this is what we have to show for it. We can't qualify in the worst qualifier

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            US soccer has to be considered the biggest embarrassment of all national teams. You start the Development Academies and force kids to choose between high school and club soccer. It's been 10 years and this is what we have to show for it. We can't qualify in the worst qualifier

            Like noted on the other thread, US national team players are chosen so early, and it seems that there are more politics in who gets chosen from certain clubs (maybe tigher connections?). Open up trials annually....let players who develop later into the system.

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              #7
              The DA is clearly a soul crushing success!! Looking forward to the same impact from the GDA!!

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                The DA is clearly a soul crushing success!! Looking forward to the same impact from the GDA!!
                Problem isn't the DA, which has only been around for ten years. Most of the players who did a faceplant in T&T are pre-DA. The Pulisic generation is actually starting to look good.

                Problem is, other than Pulisic himself, who is an insane talent, they're not yet ready for the World Cup. And for whatever reason--there is this gap between the Dempsey generation, and the next crop.

                What needs to happen is:

                1) US Soccer needs to worry about US soccer first, not about MLS. MLS is improving, and its improvement in the long run will be good for the national team, but Jurgen Klinsmann was, in many ways, right. Klins was in many ways wrong--he wasn't a great manager, he was a terrible politician, and his practice of scrubbing the German lower divisions for Army brats with US passports was highly counterproductive, but even with his faults, he knows what first-class soccer looks like.

                The new coach should make clear: When WC qualifying for 2022 rolls around, MLS players will likely not be taken. There are enough good American pros overseas to staff a team.

                2) Wondo, Deuce, Altidore, all three keepers, Bradley, and several of the others need to be told, up front--thank you for your service, but your international career is now over. 2022 is the focus. The Gold Cup, and other tournaments between then and now, is not the focus.

                3) At the youth level, the DA needs to expand--and it needs to be more subsidized, and focus on what is important. Part of my frustration with DA (having a DS in the program) is that some of the rules and procedures focus on the wrong things: strict uniform requirements, various technical requirements that don't improve the training on the field, etc. Meanwhile, there are many variations in the curricula being taught at the various local DAs. And while I've no problem with MLS clubs participating, they shouldn't be the only clubs entitled to things like training compensation and such.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Problem isn't the DA, which has only been around for ten years. Most of the players who did a faceplant in T&T are pre-DA. The Pulisic generation is actually starting to look good.

                  We have missed 2 straight Olympics, a crucial competitive environment for future world cup players. Failures in those qualifiers has to be a reflection of the DA.
                  .

                  What needs to happen is:

                  1) US Soccer needs to worry about US soccer first, not about MLS. MLS is improving, and its improvement in the long run will be good for the national team, but Jurgen Klinsmann was, in many ways, right. Klins was in many ways wrong--he wasn't a great manager, he was a terrible politician, and his practice of scrubbing the German lower divisions for Army brats with US passports was highly counterproductive, but even with his faults, he knows what first-class soccer looks like.
                  Agreed with the 1st sentence - MLS has made it to its 20s. It needs to stand on its own feet. MLS is not the enemy, but it cannot be the entire solution.

                  The new coach should make clear: When WC qualifying for 2022 rolls around, MLS players will likely not be taken. There are enough good American pros overseas to staff a team.
                  Agreed.
                  3) At the youth level, the DA needs to expand--and it needs to be more subsidized, and focus on what is important. Part of my frustration with DA (having a DS in the program) is that some of the rules and procedures focus on the wrong things: strict uniform requirements, various technical requirements that don't improve the training on the field, etc. Meanwhile, there are many variations in the curricula being taught at the various local DAs. And while I've no problem with MLS clubs participating, they shouldn't be the only clubs entitled to things like training compensation and such.
                  Agree with some of this. Country this size needs 100+ clubs focused on building pros and a financial structure that allows it. That means training compensations, solidarity payments, or some unique US financial model. Well before tonight, have been hearing some consistent critiques within the DA - trying to push a single style of play was a massive mistake (you don't know what to do the first time you run into someone playing something other than a 4-3-3); the complete deemphasis on winning is making our players soft. Amazing that the golden generation of US Soccer (Donovan's) came out of the old club model - for all its weaknesses, those kids knew how to compete. Same for the coaches and clubs - if you aren't producing, your out. The current DA system however is rather protective of all 3 (players, coaches, clubs).

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Agree with some of this. Country this size needs 100+ clubs focused on building pros and a financial structure that allows it. That means training compensations, solidarity payments, or some unique US financial model. Well before tonight, have been hearing some consistent critiques within the DA - trying to push a single style of play was a massive mistake (you don't know what to do the first time you run into someone playing something other than a 4-3-3); the complete deemphasis on winning is making our players soft. Amazing that the golden generation of US Soccer (Donovan's) came out of the old club model - for all its weaknesses, those kids knew how to compete. Same for the coaches and clubs - if you aren't producing, your out. The current DA system however is rather protective of all 3 (players, coaches, clubs).
                    Let the kids play high school in fall then DA in spring. High School is much more representative of the competitive environment players eventually play in rather than the faux environment with only a few parents at DA games. Plus players get to shine and develop in positions they may be locked out of in DA. And eliminate these 5 and 6 hour drives to play DA teams when there is plenty of similar completion one hour in any direction in most of America.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Let the kids play high school in fall then DA in spring. High School is much more representative of the competitive environment players eventually play in rather than the faux environment with only a few parents at DA games. Plus players get to shine and develop in positions they may be locked out of in DA. And eliminate these 5 and 6 hour drives to play DA teams when there is plenty of similar completion one hour in any direction in most of America.
                      Agreed. The style is garbage, but HS is the only community-centric, competitive environment our teenagers play in. There needs to be a balance between nurture and teaching kids to compete; between the individual and the group goals.

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                        #12
                        not sure what's funnier...last night's results or the suggestion that DA should expand further

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Agreed. The style is garbage, but HS is the only community-centric, competitive environment our teenagers play in. There needs to be a balance between nurture and teaching kids to compete; between the individual and the group goals.
                          But we need to raise the level of the HS game.

                          Part of that is not pulling out the top players. Part of that, though, is having HS play by the Laws, having good coaches, and discouraging some of the more counter-productive tactics.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            But we need to raise the level of the HS game.

                            Part of that is not pulling out the top players. Part of that, though, is having HS play by the Laws, having good coaches, and discouraging some of the more counter-productive tactics.
                            HS is hard to watch at times but trying to fix it might be misguided. Part of why it's fun to a lot of kids is that it's not that serious like club and the pressure is low. Maybe that is a good thing.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              not sure what's funnier...last night's results or the suggestion that DA should expand further
                              I would add MLS apologists arguing everything is fine.

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