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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Well at least it's cheaper than other alternatives. Spending cash to drive to NorCal and beat the living wits out of Burlingame and PSV Union is questionable judgment but at least the kids get to snap up huge numbers of goals.
    Except the Thornz Asylum teams weren't even able to do that. Thornz is on PAR with Burlingame. Not better. The same.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Dream on! More like $6,000 cheaper.
      Stanford tuition is $24,000 more than Portland Community College.

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        So you are exposing the fact that parents actually pay for the travel for the thorns? Well aren;t you a smart person. Everyone knows that. They just say that to get people to sign up. Duh.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          It is one thing for a pro team to subsidize youth soccer with profits from the professional club.

          It is another thing to profit from youth soccer, and then use a small portion of these profits to subsidize your academy team.

          The Thorns had no option, but to subsidize the cost or else no one would show up. As it is there was limited turn out which is why they allowed HS Seniors to play out there senior year.

          Once the Thorns DA gets establish, I am sure they will be introducing some new costs to the parents.
          In Portland we have a professional sports group: Peregrine funding their USDA Timbers Boys & Thorns Girls Youth Academy teams. Yes, it's unprecedented in Oregon, yes, no local club is willing to make this type of investment in the youth. Peregrine is a monster corporation that brings in millions of dollars each year.

          To be honest, attempting to compare what our local neighborhood clubs are able to do with parent funding vs. a corporate sports giant like Peregrine is not a discussion.

          Timbers DA hasn't charged the boys in 6 seasons with any 'new costs' . Why would you think the girls Thorns DA parents would need to get ready for new costs in the future?

          Still stuck in local pay to travel model where costs inflate year after year and you literally play for nothing more than a travel size hotel shampoo bottle and free mixed nuts samples.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            So you are exposing the fact that parents actually pay for the travel for the thorns? Well aren;t you a smart person. Everyone knows that. They just say that to get people to sign up. Duh.
            Mr. Paulson pays for the kiddos travel, lodging & food. He has been exposed. Everyone knows that, what a bad guy--he doesn't think much of our local clubs offerings and creates a better platform through MLS & NWSL connections and cache with US Soccer to subsidize youth academies. Where is the problem with that? Neighborhood clubs continue to serve their non-profit mission in small communities across the state.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Thorns doesn't pay for travel.

              $2000 fees x 25 kids = $50,000. Fees charged.
              $125 tryouts x 45 kids $5600 tryouts charged.

              Travel cost 6 trips x 16 kids x $500 cost = $48,000 cost.

              Looks like families are paying for travel.
              Wow so parents pay for travel? Wow. And pay for coaches travel too?

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Mr. Paulson pays for the kiddos travel, lodging & food. He has been exposed. Everyone knows that, what a bad guy--he doesn't think much of our local clubs offerings and creates a better platform through MLS & NWSL connections and cache with US Soccer to subsidize youth academies. Where is the problem with that? Neighborhood clubs continue to serve their non-profit mission in small communities across the state.
                Yes, it's an alternative universe, right here in Portland. MLS & NWSL vs a 501c3 community soccer clubs. It's ripe apples vs rotten bananas comparison.

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                  So what? Yes parents pay for Thorns player and coaches travel. This is not new information.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Mr. Paulson pays for the kiddos travel, lodging & food. He has been exposed. Everyone knows that, what a bad guy--he doesn't think much of our local clubs offerings and creates a better platform through MLS & NWSL connections and cache with US Soccer to subsidize youth academies. Where is the problem with that? Neighborhood clubs continue to serve their non-profit mission in small communities across the state.
                    If the Timbers were focused on their academies, there would be little complaints on here about them, other than a few dissatisfied families inside the academy or a few whose kids quit or didn't make it.

                    The objection is that they overcharge neighborhood clubs and ODP families to finance those academies. Additionally, they attempt to control every aspect of club soccer in this state - unnecessary and frankly unhealthy.

                    Crossfire and FC are not neighborhood clubs by the way - never have been. They continue to attract talent across the region, on both the boys (particularly at the younger ages and those for whom the Timbers Academy was not a good fit) and girls side (ECNL and non-ECNL programs).

                    Arguably, Eastside and Westside were once more than neighborhood clubs (pulling talent from across the region); that has not been true though since the day they started wearing Timber uniforms.

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                      [QUOTE=Unregistered;2124319]If the Timbers were focused on their academies, there would be little complaints on here about them, other than a few dissatisfied families inside the academy or a few whose kids quit or didn't make it.

                      The objection is that they overcharge neighborhood clubs and ODP families to finance those academies. Additionally, they attempt to control every aspect of club soccer in this state - unnecessary and frankly unhealthy.

                      Crossfire and FC are not neighborhood clubs by the way - never have been. They continue to attract talent across the region, on both the boys (particularly at the younger ages and those for whom the Timbers Academy was not a good fit) and girls side (ECNL and non-ECNL programs).

                      Arguably, Eastside and Westside were once more than neighborhood clubs (pulling talent from across the region); that has not been true though since the day they started wearing Timber uniforms.[/QU


                      You must have been lied to by one too many gullible idiots.

                      Crossfire Oregon is in shambles (literally just look at any of the teams)

                      and fc Portland is barely hanging on.

                      Sorry but it's just the facts.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        If the Timbers were focused on their academies, there would be little complaints on here about them, other than a few dissatisfied families inside the academy or a few whose kids quit or didn't make it.

                        The objection is that they overcharge neighborhood clubs and ODP families to finance those academies. Additionally, they attempt to control every aspect of club soccer in this state - unnecessary and frankly unhealthy.

                        Crossfire and FC are not neighborhood clubs by the way - never have been. They continue to attract talent across the region, on both the boys (particularly at the younger ages and those for whom the Timbers Academy was not a good fit) and girls side (ECNL and non-ECNL programs).

                        Arguably, Eastside and Westside were once more than neighborhood clubs (pulling talent from across the region); that has not been true though since the day they started wearing Timber uniforms.
                        Prior to the academies forming, it's true Westside Metros was a nationally relevant boys club. No other club as a whole has ever reached that bar before or after, the odd boys team at 'x' club could hold it's own vs the regional powers every 3 to 5 years. Sadly only a handful of girls clubs teams over the last 25 years were even within sniffing distance of being regionally competitive.

                        The point being all of our local clubs are based on geography and serving communities. FC Portland has been stationed at Hillsboro for decades and draws from the westside for the majority of it's players. Crossfire Oregon is a blend of 2 or 3 neighborhood clubs LOSC, WUSC & SSC. (while SSC dropped recently). As kids get older and the older neighborhood kids fizzle out, clubs that field teams at the HS ages have a bigger footprint to draw from, of course-they must get players from the greater metro area to field a team. But this doesn't change the fabric of what they are 'a neighborhood club' for rec & classic soccer experience.Or change the quality of play they produce.

                        No club in Oregon today is a magnet for top talent, even when multiple clubs combine and dream of being relevant. It just isn't happening, millennial coaches want to be paid and preach theory and private lessons. Not exactly the formula for attracting the best players to 'x' club. But it does get them a wage that avoids working in the real world.

                        Furthermore the results in the watered down USYS competitions have not spiked up for the boys or any girls club (granted FC & CU opted out of girls) but given their results in the nw mountain, pacific conference of us club, they aren't regionally relevant or contenders, merely fodder.

                        As always results on the field of play tell the story, local neighborhood clubs in Oregon don't do well outside of Oregon. It is what it is.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          If the Timbers were focused on their academies, there would be little complaints on here about them, other than a few dissatisfied families inside the academy or a few whose kids quit or didn't make it.

                          The objection is that they overcharge neighborhood clubs and ODP families to finance those academies. Additionally, they attempt to control every aspect of club soccer in this state - unnecessary and frankly unhealthy.

                          Crossfire and FC are not neighborhood clubs by the way - never have been. They continue to attract talent across the region, on both the boys (particularly at the younger ages and those for whom the Timbers Academy was not a good fit) and girls side (ECNL and non-ECNL programs).

                          Arguably, Eastside and Westside were once more than neighborhood clubs (pulling talent from across the region); that has not been true though since the day they started wearing Timber uniforms.
                          Your objection is a spin you created to fit your warped narrative. They (Timbers/Thorns) are the designated leader in youth soccer in Oregon with US Soccer's blessing. Want to change that? Hire coaches that can attract top players and form a loyalty to your club-change the local club culture. A task that the current crop of youth flunkies can't even entertain.

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                            timbers getting involved with youth soccer has been a disaster.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Thorns doesn't pay for travel.

                              $2000 fees x 25 kids = $50,000. Fees charged.
                              $125 tryouts x 45 kids $5600 tryouts charged.

                              Travel cost 6 trips x 16 kids x $500 cost = $48,000 cost.

                              Looks like families are paying for travel.
                              So parents have been paying for travel? Big deal. Nothing is free.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Your objection is a spin you created to fit your warped narrative. They (Timbers/Thorns) are the designated leader in youth soccer in Oregon with US Soccer's blessing. Want to change that? Hire coaches that can attract top players and form a loyalty to your club-change the local club culture. A task that the current crop of youth flunkies can't even entertain.
                                Governing bodies granting a monopoly to an unregulated for-profit entity is always a bad idea.

                                Simply bad for the game.

                                Doesn't mean that the Timbers/Thorns academy is good or bad or that the people working for them are good or bad.

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