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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAnd the affluent player pool is very finate. When boys das are funded....the pool of interested talent grows larger. Same would happen on the girls side but the gdas are not funded academies and likely will never be. (There are a small few funded gdas).
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAnd the affluent player pool is very finate. When boys das are funded....the pool of interested talent grows larger. Same would happen on the girls side but the gdas are not funded academies and likely will never be. (There are a small few funded gdas).
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Postwhilst this funding issue may be true for boys, its not for girls. Im not sure the pool would be much wider because College is still the end game.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWrong. Girls high level soccer is very pricey just like the boys. (Unless the player is on a funded team). Thousands per year plus travel. Absolutely not an option for most families no matter the gender of their player,
Yes there are some, but nowhere near as many as people pretend because the end game is College. 4 yr pros make 16k. And they just got a raise.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostUhh yes. Well aware of that. Point is making it free is not going to change the quality much IF College is the end game. Kids who play soccer want to go to College. Many of them pay. The notion that there are all sorts of low income soccer players who we can fund to make the game better is fanciful.
Yes there are some, but nowhere near as many as people pretend because the end game is College. 4 yr pros make 16k. And they just got a raise.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhat? I am quite sure that if it were free, these teams would not be struggling to find talent for their rosters. Just look at the funded teams in existence. They are the most desired teams by far.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhat? I am quite sure that if it were free, these teams would not be struggling to find talent for their rosters. Just look at the funded teams in existence. They are the most desired teams by far.
Show me all the high level players who would not otherwise play, who are at these funded clubs becasue it is free
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI agree. If LISC competed on price or was free, they would have been considered by many families and thus attracted the necessary talent. You don't need to be low-income to want better value. But being more expensive and poorly managed are not a winning combination.
Cedar Stars is free, how many new high level players have they attracted on the back of it ?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThats not what is being discussed. Would being free attract a whole new demographic to the player pool ? I doubt it. The talent you speak of would be at the expense of other Clubs.
Cedar Stars is free, how many new high level players have they attracted on the back of it ?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThats not what is being discussed. Would being free attract a whole new demographic to the player pool ? I doubt it. The talent you speak of would be at the expense of other Clubs.
Cedar Stars is free, how many new high level players have they attracted on the back of it ?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI think it would. Are you saying that the current system of making people travel and pay thousands of dollars a year has all of the best talent? Where are all the kids from the 5 boros? There are probably just as many kids at each age group playing street ball that are better (or have more real potential) than most of the kids on these country-club rosters. Especially on the girl's side where there no real pro path
never said these leagues have the best talent. I said that making it free would only marginally change the pool if at all. Its not only cost that keeps players out of Clubs, its demographics, peer groups and social issues.
The cost benefit is just not currently worth it becasue the incentive to actually develop better players is not aligned with those who benefit from them.
Right now the people who have the potential benefit, parents pay for the end benefit - from College place all the way up to a full ride. In general they know little about development , they jsut know who won. So what is the result . Game heavy schedules where the kids who score most are deemed to be great. We keep score in everything because most parents would not understand development or care.
Colleges would benefit from better development, but they are not going to pay for it. The USSF would benefit, but they kinda pay for it thru camps , and NT trips abroad. But they are not investing in the players until they are a certain age and then a select few.
The pro clubs, would benefit, but they have not way of ensuring they keep the player they develop so why would they do it?
making it free would only work if the womens game became more financially viable and the Clubs could select and have a way of keeping the players they developed. Ie a Pro tract for girls with real economic benefits. Outside of that, i dont think free clubs would increase the overall talent level much for Girls
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostSo you think kids playing street ball would want to integrate and play in the current system. Why? what would be the end goal? This myth that there this huge subculture of girls playing street soccer is just that...a myth.
never said these leagues have the best talent. I said that making it free would only marginally change the pool if at all. Its not only cost that keeps players out of Clubs, its demographics, peer groups and social issues.
The cost benefit is just not currently worth it becasue the incentive to actually develop better players is not aligned with those who benefit from them.
Right now the people who have the potential benefit, parents pay for the end benefit - from College place all the way up to a full ride. In general they know little about development , they jsut know who won. So what is the result . Game heavy schedules where the kids who score most are deemed to be great. We keep score in everything because most parents would not understand development or care.
Colleges would benefit from better development, but they are not going to pay for it. The USSF would benefit, but they kinda pay for it thru camps , and NT trips abroad. But they are not investing in the players until they are a certain age and then a select few.
The pro clubs, would benefit, but they have not way of ensuring they keep the player they develop so why would they do it?
making it free would only work if the womens game became more financially viable and the Clubs could select and have a way of keeping the players they developed. Ie a Pro tract for girls with real economic benefits. Outside of that, i dont think free clubs would increase the overall talent level much for Girls
Our superstar female talents are big fish from a small pond. When the boys went fishing in a bigger pond, they caught some new fish.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWell, where low cost soccer exists, the pool of talent interested increases. You are correct to say that it wont happen because no one will fund it.
Our superstar female talents are big fish from a small pond. When the boys went fishing in a bigger pond, they caught some new fish.
NYCFC are owned by one of the richest familes/countries in the world. Man City spend money on players like its nothing. Is the GDA free there ? No. Would it make a hge statement in the NY area if it was? Of course. Would they attract more talent to the Club. Probably. And yes it it would be at the expennse of other Clubs unless they too cut prices. Problem is, making it free would totally break the model for many Clubs and make it more elite and more select. fewer people could justify playing GDA at lesser clubs becasue they would be jsut that.
And yet NYCFC have not done it. It keeps the cozy status quo that currently exists and everyone makes money.
One idea I had was that if player in the GDA makes say 4 NT camps or gets 2 caps - her tuition and travel is free (paid for by the USSF) AND the Club gets to offer a scholarship credit to another low income player. That would at least incent Clubs to develop players.
Im sure there are holes in my idea, but something like this has to happen to attempt to align behavior with economics.or nothing will change no matter the league
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThey didn't slap a new badge on the same thing, seeing as neither GDA or ECNL will ever be as strong as ECNL in its heyday.
Figure most ECNL teams splintered with supposed top players sliding over to GDA and GDA clubs supplementing rosters with ECNL bench warmers and other players from various NE NPL teams...basically kids who weren't strong enough to make ECNL in the first place.
Then you have the ECNL side, where most teams have lost top 2-3 players and also added players from various ne NPL teams (see description above).
Then of course there are the non ECNL clubs that are now fielding GDA teams, only thing is, none of these clubs were dominant in their previous leagues (I.E.-Massapequa, NYSC, Brentwood) . To be fair, Massapequa, NYSC probably have a few players here and there that may have made a GDA roster somewhere else, but those players are few and far between and certainly not enough to build a strong foundation. The only players Brentwood had were the KK Atletico players that would throw on a Brentwood jersey when they played NPL and most of those kids left for East Meadow.
And if you think this is all NYE specific, it's not. Take a gander at the Mass forum, same BS going on at BBA and Stars. Then take a look at the CT forum, same chat about OW, FSA and CFC...
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