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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    How is ECNL more practical?

    Tuition is equal.

    Regional league travel is equal.

    Tournaments v showcases are equal.

    For us, the only differentiator is that ECNL has no presence nearby, so in effect it's a larger impact.
    Very true. If your goal is college exposure and one league is vastly more convenient than the other, or only one is available - then your decision is made for you. Just don't kid yourself that one platform is inherently better than the other at getting you more prepared to play at the next level.

    If both leagues are options, and you don't have a unicorn in your house, ECNL is more practical because the goals of the customers (girls looking to go to college) are not in conflict with the league organizers (ECNL = a business). Whereas USSF GDA = unicorn hunting.

    USSF goals are also in conflict with the member clubs which for all but a handful are in it for the money, just like ECNL clubs. USSF's introduction of PT player designation and suggesting to all member clubs that their FT rosters number around 14 and the balance made up of PT players makes good sense, but I doubt most clubs will follow it. In my neighborhood, the GDA rosters look like they will be 23-24 FT players per team -- being player #5-24 on those teams is gonna suck.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Really depends on where u are. Some gda clubs are more costly then the local ecnl club and the tournaments are longer requiing missed school and more expenses.

      Some regions and age groups are more competitive in ecnl and some in gda. You need to look at each situation. Generalities do not apply in youth soccer.
      Good points. I will say the showcase impact on schooling appears to be greater than anywhere else. Games could be mid-week, and spread out over a few days so the logistics are a bit harder to handle.

      No 5-games over a 3-day weekend there. More like 3-games over a 5-day mid-week window. Harder to coordinate.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Very true. If your goal is college exposure and one league is vastly more convenient than the other, or only one is available - then your decision is made for you. Just don't kid yourself that one platform is inherently better than the other at getting you more prepared to play at the next level.

        If both leagues are options, and you don't have a unicorn in your house, ECNL is more practical because the goals of the customers (girls looking to go to college) are not in conflict with the league organizers (ECNL = a business). Whereas USSF GDA = unicorn hunting.

        USSF goals are also in conflict with the member clubs which for all but a handful are in it for the money, just like ECNL clubs. USSF's introduction of PT player designation and suggesting to all member clubs that their FT rosters number around 14 and the balance made up of PT players makes good sense, but I doubt most clubs will follow it. In my neighborhood, the GDA rosters look like they will be 23-24 FT players per team -- being player #5-24 on those teams is gonna suck.
        For our GDA club, they only thing they discuss is college exposure. NT opportunities aren't really talked about. People aren't that naive.

        So, that aligns with ECNL's discussion points as well

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          LOL, this is cute, but the point is DA is all about "development". So explain how you develop players by reducing playing time in one game a week by increasing subs? That's the purpose of have PT or Discovery players, to fill in where necessary.
          Oh, and why the sub numbers changed for this age group only?
          Its about developing players ONLY for the national team. They don't care about developing the bottom roster kids. So reducing time for the lower roster kids is only significant because the clubs fussed. They just caved to the clubs fussing they were going to lose the role players to the ECNL if they didn't see the field.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Its about developing players ONLY for the national team. They don't care about developing the bottom roster kids. So reducing time for the lower roster kids is only significant because the clubs fussed. They just caved to the clubs fussing they were going to lose the role players to the ECNL if they didn't see the field.
            Taken right out of the ECNL Talking Points for Dummies. Chapter 1

            You couldn't be more wrong, but I know you have to go back to read Chapter 2 to come back.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              For our GDA club, they only thing they discuss is college exposure. NT opportunities aren't really talked about. People aren't that naive.

              So, that aligns with ECNL's discussion points as well
              Which league is better is getting very tiresome. They are very similar and this endless discussion must be coming from the clubs themselves. The parents for the most part look around at the location, cost, coach, etc. and pick one. The league is not the main driver unless the kid is absolutely set on school ball or absolutely wants to avoid it.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                How is ECNL more practical?

                Tuition is equal.

                Regional league travel is equal.

                Tournaments v showcases are equal.

                For us, the only differentiator is that ECNL has no presence nearby, so in effect it's a larger impact.
                Depends on your local options. Our closest DA option doesn't have good coaching. Then there's the HS issue which does matter to many players

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Taken right out of the ECNL Talking Points for Dummies. Chapter 1

                  You couldn't be more wrong, but I know you have to go back to read Chapter 2 to come back.
                  It's a minor change USSF could implement to help diffuse dissatisfaction. There's a long list of other issues

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Exactly. Ultimately, this is the conundrum USSF finds itself in. It's mission is to find 20 world-class players at each age level, whittle that group down to about 4 or 5 that have a legitimate shot to stick on the National Team.

                    Now the USSF GDA geniuses find themselves needing to change their rules to appease the practice cones, lest those practice cones sprout legs and return to ECNL to pursue their own, more practical goal, of finding a path to play college soccer.
                    this is not the purpose at all. people who think it is are totally missing the point. the purpose is to develop as many high level soccer players as possible by refining the training environment, focus and adding consistency.

                    Its not actually an exclusive process and its not about whittling down anything. Only a fool would think that given the womens game and its path through college.

                    People who imply or state that playing YNT soccer is somehow a different path than College are idiots. last time I checked the kids playing YNT soccer are not exactly struggling for College choices. ts the same path. Neither league is guaranteeing you anything, but in theory, both should afford you the opportunity to become a better player IF you work hard in the right club environment.

                    All this USSF focused hatred is nonsense. the vast majority of what parents interact with is the Club they play for. If you are not happy, focus there, but the USSF influence is pretty small in your day to day.

                    AS far as the ECNL goes its pretty similar with one big caveat. Its run by a cabal of Clubs who are all about the $$. Every decision they make should be analyzed with this in mind. i have seen the leadership of the ECNL do several things that directly harm players because it makes the founders more $$

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Very true. If your goal is college exposure and one league is vastly more convenient than the other, or only one is available - then your decision is made for you. Just don't kid yourself that one platform is inherently better than the other at getting you more prepared to play at the next level.

                      If both leagues are options, and you don't have a unicorn in your house, ECNL is more practical because the goals of the customers (girls looking to go to college) are not in conflict with the league organizers (ECNL = a business). Whereas USSF GDA = unicorn hunting.

                      USSF goals are also in conflict with the member clubs which for all but a handful are in it for the money, just like ECNL clubs. USSF's introduction of PT player designation and suggesting to all member clubs that their FT rosters number around 14 and the balance made up of PT players makes good sense, but I doubt most clubs will follow it. In my neighborhood, the GDA rosters look like they will be 23-24 FT players per team -- being player #5-24 on those teams is gonna suck.

                      GDA is NOT unicorn hunting.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Its about developing players ONLY for the national team. They don't care about developing the bottom roster kids. So reducing time for the lower roster kids is only significant because the clubs fussed. They just caved to the clubs fussing they were going to lose the role players to the ECNL if they didn't see the field.
                        Nonsense again. When you say THEY who exactly? The teams are managed by Clubs. Every Club should care about all its customers and develop them to the best of their ability and if they dont care, then your issue is with the Club.

                        if you mean a bottom of the roster player has less chance of a a YNT call up, then duh ..obviously. but just because the YNT are not calling you up does not mean the Club is not interested in you.

                        When the ECNL calls x number of players into the year end id2 does that mean it does not care about every player who is NOT called ? Of course it doesn't .

                        This is the false narrative at its best. People need to stop substituting a Clubs responsibilities with the USSFs to score petty points.

                        Bottom line is you should join a good Club irrespective of the League affiliation. If you become a better player, then the goals have been achieved. Better players get more opportunities at every level .

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                          #27
                          USSF doesn't care about 98% of DA players. However they need them to make the league work. Their motives, beyond NT talent identification and development, are anything but magnanimous. They're just as interested in money and control as ECNL. Pick your poison. Pick whoever has the best coaching and fit for your player. College coaches shop talent, not badges

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            USSF doesn't care about 98% of DA players. However they need them to make the league work. Their motives, beyond NT talent identification and development, are anything but magnanimous. They're just as interested in money and control as ECNL. Pick your poison. Pick whoever has the best coaching and fit for your player. College coaches shop talent, not badges
                            the opening line is stupid. Duke are not interested in 98 pct of Club soccer players either. What is your point? That the top of the pyramid (whatever pyramid you choose) is small ? The league and player selection for YNTs are totally separate. One is designed to be a better product (which you can debate if you want) and the other is about selecting the best players.

                            The belief is that over time, players will be better from a more "professional" environment. That remains to be seen.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              the opening line is stupid. Duke are not interested in 98 pct of Club soccer players either. What is your point? That the top of the pyramid (whatever pyramid you choose) is small ? The league and player selection for YNTs are totally separate. One is designed to be a better product (which you can debate if you want) and the other is about selecting the best players.

                              The belief is that over time, players will be better from a more "professional" environment. That remains to be seen.
                              A more professional environment? How? Because they have clipboards with a curriculum? It's the same clubs and coaches. It takes years for coaches to get higher licensure and even in BDA not all have it. GDA has virtually no pro team involvement like with BDA which at least creates an illusion of a professional environment. Some of the better clubs are now out, worse ones are in.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                the opening line is stupid. Duke are not interested in 98 pct of Club soccer players either. What is your point? That the top of the pyramid (whatever pyramid you choose) is small ? The league and player selection for YNTs are totally separate. One is designed to be a better product (which you can debate if you want) and the other is about selecting the best players.

                                The belief is that over time, players will be better from a more "professional" environment. That remains to be seen.
                                Bad analogy...thousands of families aren't paying Upwards of $5,000 a year for Duke to pretend they care, lol.

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