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    #16
    There is no other club in CT that has the college placements like CFC does. The entire 2021 class is screwed at every club so to say CFC is doing anything to hurt their own players is idiotic.

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      #17
      the 2022 don't seem to be having a problem at cfc?

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        What’s the example here? No names but what school was interested and how do you know coach sabotaged the opportunity?
        My kid had a full ride offer to trump university for soccer and no one Told my kid

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          So why would a club "sabotage " a bunch of players? Looks bad for the club to have many uncommitted, right? Lack if skill, bad parents and Covid ok. Not sabotage.
          Exactly. What club would want to reduce the amount of commits they have? That's idiotic. There are 2 CFCU teams that have recruit aged players, and the 2004's already have 6 D1 commits, so that only leaves one team with a disgruntled parent(s)...

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Exactly. What club would want to reduce the amount of commits they have? That's idiotic. There are 2 CFCU teams that have recruit aged players, and the 2004's already have 6 D1 commits, so that only leaves one team with a disgruntled parent(s)...
            Granted

            - the 03s aren't their strongest team
            - covid really screwed this age group

            but players should have been able to find homes. If you're having a hard time landing a spot it's more likely you either targeted wrong or aren't marketing yourself enough, or both. Knowing some families I think unrealistic expectations is probably the biggest issue.

            A club whose biggest selling point is college placements isn't going to slack off, but they can't force unqualified players on college coaches either. If it turns out poorly a coach won't take a phone call from CFC again. Lastly, the biggest part of the process is driven by players marketing themselves.

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              #21
              Go play for JN at SJOES he even gets CFC kids athletic scholarships. He is the "MAGIC MAN" when it comes to selling kids to college coaches.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Granted

                - the 03s aren't their strongest team
                - covid really screwed this age group

                but players should have been able to find homes. If you're having a hard time landing a spot it's more likely you either targeted wrong or aren't marketing yourself enough, or both. Knowing some families I think unrealistic expectations is probably the biggest issue.

                A club whose biggest selling point is college placements isn't going to slack off, but they can't force unqualified players on college coaches either. If it turns out poorly a coach won't take a phone call from CFC again. Lastly, the biggest part of the process is driven by players marketing themselves.
                I think there's probably other factors involved too. Were the kids realistic in schools they were targeting? If not, then what can a coach do. You can't convince Anson Dorrance to recruit from a pile of horse manure. Second, it's hard work to sell 20 kids from a crap team to coaches. The coach(es) would need to be actually putting in some time and effort for a team that's not that good. And let's be honest, these guys aren't going to do that. Much easier to focus on the good teams where the sell is easier.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Go play for JN at SJOES he even gets CFC kids athletic scholarships. He is the "MAGIC MAN" when it comes to selling kids to college coaches.
                  Really? Besides Brown (a Mones is a coach, yet no StJ players have gone there) and Villanova, please expand on the other schools he has hooks with and any scholarships that non-CFC players have gotten due to him?

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    I think there's probably other factors involved too. Were the kids realistic in schools they were targeting? If not, then what can a coach do. You can't convince Anson Dorrance to recruit from a pile of horse manure. Second, it's hard work to sell 20 kids from a crap team to coaches. The coach(es) would need to be actually putting in some time and effort for a team that's not that good. And let's be honest, these guys aren't going to do that. Much easier to focus on the good teams where the sell is easier.
                    Good teams get better exposure. Coaches go to watch the top teams play at a showcase.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Really? Besides Brown (a Mones is a coach, yet no StJ players have gone there) and Villanova, please expand on the other schools he has hooks with and any scholarships that non-CFC players have gotten due to him?
                      UCONN lol lol lol

                      YU does well with low level D1 and D3 programs. Their lists are in nowhere comparable to CFCs.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        I think there's probably other factors involved too. Were the kids realistic in schools they were targeting? If not, then what can a coach do. You can't convince Anson Dorrance to recruit from a pile of horse manure. Second, it's hard work to sell 20 kids from a crap team to coaches. The coach(es) would need to be actually putting in some time and effort for a team that's not that good. And let's be honest, these guys aren't going to do that. Much easier to focus on the good teams where the sell is easier.
                        There's academic targeting and then soccer targeting. You should do the former first and foremost. Knowing some of the Fairfield County types they were probably aiming too high academically and thought their kids soccer prowess would get their kids a tip. Coaches only give tips for the studs they really want, otherwise you have to be able to get admitted on your own.

                        Covid not only made matters far worse (no showcases or ID events) but giving a 5th year to athletes means some will stay on the extra year and there's less of a need to have a typical recruiting class size for fall 21

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                          #27
                          If a team is collectively pretty bad they probably aren't sending a pack of players to strong D1 schools. By fall of senior year players that targeted remotely correctly are off the recruiting board.

                          As far as CFC goes, this is their business. Look at last year's class, a healthy amount of them end up in the Patriot League, NEC and MAAC. All solid players that will likely impact the games in those conferences. Those same kids weren't going to be playing at Penn State or UCLA.

                          Like it or not, the club and coaches play a role in your outcome. If clubs start overselling players they'll lose credibility with college coaches.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            If a team is collectively pretty bad they probably aren't sending a pack of players to strong D1 schools. By fall of senior year players that targeted remotely correctly are off the recruiting board.

                            As far as CFC goes, this is their business. Look at last year's class, a healthy amount of them end up in the Patriot League, NEC and MAAC. All solid players that will likely impact the games in those conferences. Those same kids weren't going to be playing at Penn State or UCLA.

                            Like it or not, the club and coaches play a role in your outcome. If clubs start overselling players they'll lose credibility with college coaches.
                            Nor can they help you if you're short on the academic piece. That's on you. A club should guide you on soccer fit but they also can't force you to take their advice. I've seen plenty of families not listen to club advice that are left scrambling when they realized they overshot the target. You are right that they're not going to risk relationships for the long term if they know the player isn't a good fit.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Good teams get better exposure. Coaches go to watch the top teams play at a showcase.
                              This is wrong too. That would mean that only players from one team in CT in the last five years would be recruited. We generally don't have top teams here.

                              The large showcases like PDA and ECNL FL are one stop shopping for colleges at every level. Most coaches will watch parts of 15 to 20 games per day. Many programs send multiple scouts with the idea of covering lots of ground. College coaches are going to focus on top 10 ECNL games where the top players are getting multiple offers.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                This is wrong too. That would mean that only players from one team in CT in the last five years would be recruited. We generally don't have top teams here.

                                The large showcases like PDA and ECNL FL are one stop shopping for colleges at every level. Most coaches will watch parts of 15 to 20 games per day. Many programs send multiple scouts with the idea of covering lots of ground. College coaches are going to focus on top 10 ECNL games where the top players are getting multiple offers.
                                Yes coaches shop players, not teams. Sure a top team will get more coaches on their sidelines but that's because top teams have a lot of players of interest. They might spot someone that wasn't on their radar that they reach out to, but they mostly have a shopping list going into events like you said. If a player is targeting programs well and catches a coach's attention, the coach, or an assistant at least, will come even if you're not in a top bracket

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