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Agree the board is better without BTDT.
There are different strategies with recruiting, and different goals. Our family's strategy-- which isn't for everyone-- was to focus on high academic schools where the coach thought my son would be an impact player. That makes recruiting easier (impact player). There's all levels of soccer for this -- d1, Duke, Georgetown, Ivies, d3 -- Amherst, Tufts, down to Vassar.
Other kids want to play at the highest level possible, are recruited as more practice players. Those kids are believing they will work hard and earn playing time, and they may very well.
Soccer is a subjective sport though, and it is nice going in to have the coach starting out thinking you are one of his strongest players. All this btw is on the boys side.
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Parents on "top" teams tend to think their child is destined for college soccer.
Those parents literally trip over themselves trying to get their kids on the team, keep their kids on the team and most importantly, defend the team against any and all parents that refuse to accept their kid's team as "top," or "best."
From U12 to U18 it's all about the "best" soccer.
Then, after 8+ years and $50,000 - $100,000 spent on club soccer, it's suddenly about academics?
What am I missing?
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What you are missing is that you are massively overgeneralizing. And massively stereotyping. But whatever, do you feel better about yourself because you look down on "those" soccer parents? One thing I am pretty certain of is that your kid was not in fact recruited, because if s/he were ypu wouldn't be so worried about what other people do, nor would ypu be so insecure.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhat you are missing is that you are massively overgeneralizing. And massively stereotyping. But whatever, do you feel better about yourself because you look down on "those" soccer parents? One thing I am pretty certain of is that your kid was not in fact recruited, because if s/he were ypu wouldn't be so worried about what other people do, nor would ypu be so insecure.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostMan you really are bitter ("imaginary... lying"). Sorry it didn't work out for you, but there are many of for whom it actually did work out. While your 1 out of 2000 players is conceptually true, the reality is that those 1 out of 2000 from all the sandlot soccer across the country gather on just a few teams in each region. For players on those teams, it is the case that 90%+ are presented with scholarship opportunities.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostNot the poster you are replying to, but 90% sounds high and you need to be clearer on what scholarship opportunity they are being “presented with” or otherwise you are even telling a mistruth if not an outright lie. In D1, there’s about 320 women’s teams so if the average recruiting class is about 7 players, that’s 2,240 players. There are only 14 scholarships for the entire team so that incoming class might have 3 to give to those 7 players. 1-2 of those 7 probably will get close to a significant scholarship and the rest split the remaining scholarships or get nothing. That’s a fact. I’m sure an ECNL might hear from a college they have no interest in and be presented with a scholarship offer that covers books or something, but let’s not pretend everyone’s dream school is handing out full scholarships. It’s fair to take “commitments” with a grain of salt unless the clubs want to provide NLI and scholarship $’s for each commitment.
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Acceptance rate only means a larger amount apply to that school and nothing more,of course ivy leagues acceptance rates are soo low who doesn’t want to go to Harvard or an Ivy.Who can afford it is another question.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostNot the poster you are replying to, but 90% sounds high and you need to be clearer on what scholarship opportunity they are being “presented with” or otherwise you are even telling a mistruth if not an outright lie. In D1, there’s about 320 women’s teams so if the average recruiting class is about 7 players, that’s 2,240 players. There are only 14 scholarships for the entire team so that incoming class might have 3 to give to those 7 players. 1-2 of those 7 probably will get close to a significant scholarship and the rest split the remaining scholarships or get nothing. That’s a fact. I’m sure an ECNL might hear from a college they have no interest in and be presented with a scholarship offer that covers books or something, but let’s not pretend everyone’s dream school is handing out full scholarships. It’s fair to take “commitments” with a grain of salt unless the clubs want to provide NLI and scholarship $’s for each commitment.
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Lots of factors play into college choice. Pick whats best for you and be proud.
My D picked a school with no Athletic Aid, I’m thrilled for her and cant wait to see her play at college level. Thats enough for us. I don’t see need to tell you about all of her other offers, but I do catch your tell when you reveal that D3 is a disappointment when you also feel the need to tell me “she coulda gone D1”.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostLots of factors play into college choice. Pick whats best for you and be proud.
My D picked a school with no Athletic Aid, I’m thrilled for her and cant wait to see her play at college level. Thats enough for us. I don’t see need to tell you about all of her other offers, but I do catch your tell when you reveal that D3 is a disappointment when you also feel the need to tell me “she coulda gone D1”.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostCongratulations and good luck to her! That’s the right attitude that is missing from this conversation. The PLAYER wants to play and finds the right fit for them rather than PARENTS getting involved and directing the decision by playing the scholarship game.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostNot the poster you are replying to, but 90% sounds high and you need to be clearer on what scholarship opportunity they are being “presented with” or otherwise you are even telling a mistruth if not an outright lie. In D1, there’s about 320 women’s teams so if the average recruiting class is about 7 players, that’s 2,240 players. There are only 14 scholarships for the entire team so that incoming class might have 3 to give to those 7 players. 1-2 of those 7 probably will get close to a significant scholarship and the rest split the remaining scholarships or get nothing. That’s a fact. I’m sure an ECNL might hear from a college they have no interest in and be presented with a scholarship offer that covers books or something, but let’s not pretend everyone’s dream school is handing out full scholarships. It’s fair to take “commitments” with a grain of salt unless the clubs want to provide NLI and scholarship $’s for each commitment.
The part that everyone misses in these TS arguments about money is the real value has been the time you have spent with your kid. Enjoy every minute of the drive and don't let them wear their headphones or stare at their phone. Don't lecture them about their play or other players. Eventually he/she will get their license and won't need you to drive them...enjoy the time while you can.
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