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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostNo question. Why 2/3 of those are with one club is the real question.
I'd argue New England (not just MA as you referenced) can support 8 clubs, spread out to cover much more of the region. Will every single player on every single team on every single club by supahstaaaahh material? Likely no. Not much different than today.
As for the "superstar" question, that's probably a good measuring stick. If you define "superstar" as a kid who would be plastered all over the local papers if they played for their town HS and make All State and never come off the field, then yes pretty much every player on Blue or White is a "superstar" and that would disappear if you went to 8 teams. **If a current player doesn't fit this description, they won't be on the team for long.
If you define it as national team or headed for a top 10 college as a starter than there are barely enough of those to field one team per age group.
PS They are currently drawing from all 6 New England states (fact), so I'm not sure why you think there is a need for more teams or how much more of the region you'd need to cover.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThis is sort of true, maybe mostly true. Yes, they are treated as separate clubs. But, and this is a big but, Stars wants to make Blue the top team and Blue gets first pick of the offers. That doesn't mean all the best players necessarily end up on Blue because player choice is a real thing but it does mean that most tend to end up on Blue with exceptions for certain teams, in certain years, in certain age groups based on the player choice piece. I don't think White and Blue are separately recruiting with White coaches signing players Blue coaches don't even know about. But I certainly agree they are both viable and competitive.
Then add in developmental differences, and coaching impact, and team chemistry and you quickly will see why the Blue/White debate is stupid.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWell the point is that to try to fit most (not all) of the available excellent players on 3 teams should make each those teams very strong 1-18. How many teams is the right number to keep the league "elite"? Well that is arbitrary. You could set that number at 1 or 3 or 8 or 12. There's no right answer. IMO 3 is a good number.
As for the "superstar" question, that's probably a good measuring stick. If you define "superstar" as a kid who would be plastered all over the local papers if they played for their town HS and make All State and never come off the field, then yes pretty much every player on Blue or White is a "superstar" and that would disappear if you went to 8 teams. **If a current player doesn't fit this description, they won't be on the team for long.
If you define it as national team or headed for a top 10 college as a starter than there are barely enough of those to field one team per age group.
PS They are currently drawing from all 6 New England states (fact), so I'm not sure why you think there is a need for more teams or how much more of the region you'd need to cover.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIf you define "superstar" as a kid who would be plastered all over the local papers if they played for their town HS and make All State and never come off the field, then yes pretty much every player on Blue or White is a "superstar"
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Last Sunday’s game between NEFC and Stars Blue seniors was basically the Globe/Herald all-scholastics and EMGSCA/United Soccer Coaches All State, All New England, and All-American recipients.
And amongst all those accolades and D1 commitments 2 (max 3) are committed to consistent Top 10 programs. Ivy teams crack top 10 now and then, but not consistently so I excluded those
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAgree with everything you said, and I think other posters claim for 8 in New England isn’t far off. We have 4 in MA already (3 ECNL + GAL) add in CT and that gets us to at least 7 (2 ECNL and 1 GAL (or are there 2?). Align better regionally and the player pool is there. Springfield could serve western MA, no. CT, and VT (off 91) and Haverhill area on 495 could also serve ME, NH. Scorpions in Taunton serves So Shore and RI
Exactly. Spread it around and you'll do a much better job of getting all the best players.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThis is a pretty accurate description of the rosters.
Last Sunday’s game between NEFC and Stars Blue seniors was basically the Globe/Herald all-scholastics and EMGSCA/United Soccer Coaches All State, All New England, and All-American recipients.
And amongst all those accolades and D1 commitments 2 (max 3) are committed to consistent Top 10 programs. Ivy teams crack top 10 now and then, but not consistently so I excluded those
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Based on this weekend its pretty obvious White has the better teams. I know Blue is “supposed” to be better but accumulating the best players doesn’t always translate into wins or, even more important, development. It’s Whites to lose right now
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostBased on this weekend its pretty obvious White has the better teams. I know Blue is “supposed” to be better but accumulating the best players doesn’t always translate into wins or, even more important, development. It’s Whites to lose right now
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Blue IS better teams they play higher competition, higher divisions which means sometimes while seeking the challenge lose a game. White usually plays in a lower division and often wins more in lower divisions.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostBlue IS better teams they play higher competition, higher divisions which means sometimes while seeking the challenge lose a game. White usually plays in a lower division and often wins more in lower divisions.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAre you drunk? Stars Blue and Stars White play in the same division in ECNL. They play all the same teams in their league games. They all played in the Stars tournament this past weekend and I can’t think of any situation where they weren’t in the same division—maybe different brackets within a division, but not different levels.
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