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    #16
    There are also parents who push in the hopes that with the proper nurturing little Johnny or Suzy will become the great athlete. The downside is that clubs will often promote this as being the case in order to increase numbers and the bottom line.

    I am of the belief that this is where the weirdness with club sports parents comes in. Parents of the children who believe that their child will get better with more training and time become disappointed if their child does not receive enough play time or make the A team. Conversely the parents of the strong athletes who have shown a propensity for the sport who have chosen club soccer for a higher level of play become angry at the level of play when it is brought down by the weaker players chasing the dream.

    Then you have conflict, arguing, accusations and so forth as witnessed on these threads. It has been my observation that when all the players on the team are roughly at the same level, there really isn't as much conflict.

    As an example, take the strong athletes that play other sports. The parents of the children that have never missed a soccer event believe the better player should be penalized for missing a practice for another sport. In their mind this demonstrates a non committed attitude. They don't seem to notice that the player still runs circles around their player and is maintaining fitness.

    When my older daughter played ECNL for Crossfire Premier (Redmond) all the players were at a high level. There were no hard feelings about missing events. This meant that someone else got more playing time. Similarly, with my middle son who plays on a B team they seem to be more about the fun and the enjoyment of the sport rather than pointing the finger at one another.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      There are also parents who push in the hopes that with the proper nurturing little Johnny or Suzy will become the great athlete. The downside is that clubs will often promote this as being the case in order to increase numbers and the bottom line.

      I am of the belief that this is where the weirdness with club sports parents comes in. Parents of the children who believe that their child will get better with more training and time become disappointed if their child does not receive enough play time or make the A team. Conversely the parents of the strong athletes who have shown a propensity for the sport who have chosen club soccer for a higher level of play become angry at the level of play when it is brought down by the weaker players chasing the dream.

      Then you have conflict, arguing, accusations and so forth as witnessed on these threads. It has been my observation that when all the players on the team are roughly at the same level, there really isn't as much conflict.

      As an example, take the strong athletes that play other sports. The parents of the children that have never missed a soccer event believe the better player should be penalized for missing a practice for another sport. In their mind this demonstrates a non committed attitude. They don't seem to notice that the player still runs circles around their player and is maintaining fitness.

      When my older daughter played ECNL for Crossfire Premier (Redmond) all the players were at a high level. There were no hard feelings about missing events. This meant that someone else got more playing time. Similarly, with my middle son who plays on a B team they seem to be more about the fun and the enjoyment of the sport rather than pointing the finger at one another.
      Again, glass half full commentary. Issues exist, but a I believe it is born in the parents, not in club leadership.

      The conversation is about do clubs produce or progress players? And if you have a less talented player, would it not be beneficial for them to have better training, better competition, etc? They will never be the best but they will be better.

      I think what you are taking about is how to better manage parental expectations. I have never heard our DOC or coach promise anything, but those expectations that if "so and so is amazing and so if my dd is on the same team she will be amazing" is an assumption made by the parents, in most cases, not promised by the club. It is more a societal issue, not a club soccer issue. And it happens in all sports, not just soccer.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Again, glass half full commentary. Issues exist, but a I believe it is born in the parents, not in club leadership.

        The conversation is about do clubs produce or progress players? And if you have a less talented player, would it not be beneficial for them to have better training, better competition, etc? They will never be the best but they will be better.

        I think what you are taking about is how to better manage parental expectations. I have never heard our DOC or coach promise anything, but those expectations that if "so and so is amazing and so if my dd is on the same team she will be amazing" is an assumption made by the parents, in most cases, not promised by the club. It is more a societal issue, not a club soccer issue. And it happens in all sports, not just soccer.
        I don't consider myself a glass half full person even though I do blame club leadership for pushing a product simply because it will sell. In my opinion, clubs and docs are not being entirely truthful with parents about the expectation (ie your money would be much better spent elsewhere) to the detriment of their bottom line. In my opinion the club soccer business is saturated and there really is more supply of teams than demand by higher level players, therefore clubs will accept anyone with money.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          I don't consider myself a glass half full person even though I do blame club leadership for pushing a product simply because it will sell. In my opinion, clubs and docs are not being entirely truthful with parents about the expectation (ie your money would be much better spent elsewhere) to the detriment of their bottom line. In my opinion the club soccer business is saturated and there really is more supply of teams than demand by higher level players, therefore clubs will accept anyone with money.
          Totally agree. Most clubs are in it for money. It is saturated. To many individuals want to profit off kids sports. Kids can't just go out and play anymore. It's about money, best teams, best coaches, specializing in one sport at 10 years old. It's a keep up with the Jones's mentality and the clubs just reinforce it.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            I don't consider myself a glass half full person even though I do blame club leadership for pushing a product simply because it will sell. In my opinion, clubs and docs are not being entirely truthful with parents about the expectation (ie your money would be much better spent elsewhere) to the detriment of their bottom line. In my opinion the club soccer business is saturated and there really is more supply of teams than demand by higher level players, therefore clubs will accept anyone with money.
            It is the club's job to sell their product, it is the parent's job to be discern what is best for their own child, period.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              It is the club's job to sell their product, it is the parent's job to be discern what is best for their own child, period.
              If this happens, then the ECNL tryouts will be really sparse.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                If this happens, then the ECNL tryouts will be really sparse.
                So be it. We live in a capitalist society with a free market. If people do not find value, don't buy it. All this talk about the evil ECNL sounds like whiny parents that want a socialist system for soccer. Then move to a socialist country. This is a free market, do ECNL, don't do ECNL, your choice.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  So be it. We live in a capitalist society with a free market. If people do not find value, don't buy it. All this talk about the evil ECNL sounds like whiny parents that want a socialist system for soccer. Then move to a socialist country. This is a free market, do ECNL, don't do ECNL, your choice.
                  I am the one who said I think the market is saturated. I don't blame that on participation in ECNL. However ECNL will not retain its elite status if the league continues down the current path of trying to push a 2 by 2 mentality for accepting teams into the league. Up until a couple of years ago only the best clubs were admitted into ECNL and as such they pretty much had the pick of the best players desiring to play at the highest level. Now, ECNL is accepting sub par teams because the teams want to participate. The problem is that now the best teams may be forced to look elsewhere if they want the consistently good talent they enjoyed a few years ago. It is getting watered down and there will be a Next Best Thing for the high level player because now ECNL is becoming run of the mill.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    I am the one who said I think the market is saturated. I don't blame that on participation in ECNL. However ECNL will not retain its elite status if the league continues down the current path of trying to push a 2 by 2 mentality for accepting teams into the league. Up until a couple of years ago only the best clubs were admitted into ECNL and as such they pretty much had the pick of the best players desiring to play at the highest level. Now, ECNL is accepting sub par teams because the teams want to participate. The problem is that now the best teams may be forced to look elsewhere if they want the consistently good talent they enjoyed a few years ago. It is getting watered down and there will be a Next Best Thing for the high level player because now ECNL is becoming run of the mill.
                    Nationwide, ECNL is not in any jeopardy and they are slowing down allowing teams in. The newer teams will continue to get better. They will be fine.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Nationwide, ECNL is not in any jeopardy and they are slowing down allowing teams in. The newer teams will continue to get better. They will be fine.
                      I think the newer teams will be fine. But, the highest level players will eventually look elsewhere if they want to play WITH and against the best. It is why some of the Oregon high level players continue to play out of Seattle. Oregon doesn't provide playing WITH the best because it is so diluted. If it were 1 ECNL team then there would be a much closer resemblance to playing with the best.

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