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    #46
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Have fun playing lots of sports , or spend your childhood with grand illusions of becoming an Olympian.
    Or thinking they have a shot at being a Revs homegrown lol lol lol lol

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      #47
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Incorrect. All the studies have shown that specializing too early can hurt a player's long term development, but that specialization eventually wins out. For soccer, that specialization needs to happen once the transition to 11v11 is made and puberty starts kicking in, so U14/15 for boys and U13 or so for girls. As to overuse, correct periodization and a focus on movement, SAQ and strength and conditioning overcomes that. Want to know where I see lots of injuries? The multi-sport athlete who goes from HS soccer to HS basketball to HS Lacrosse or track. Throw in a club sport and they are blowing out knees and pulling muscles all the time.

      Show me a current pro soccer player who was a multi sport athlete and didn't focus entirely on soccer from U14 to the pros... they don't exist. For those who think college is the pinnacle, guess what... it's not.
      More former soccer players have been successful in basketball than vice versa, thats for sure

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        #48
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Have fun playing lots of sports , or spend your childhood with grand illusions of becoming an Olympian.
        You mean “grand delusions”, right?

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          #49
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Thanks, track dad. A person that can win a sprint might be fast, but that doesn't mean that he / she is agile, has great hand-eye or foot-eye coordination, can react to threats or opportunities, can perform when being bumped, pushed, elbowed, or can repeat the same performance many times over the course of a single contest. How many great sprinters have flamed out in the NFL because they couldn't run and catch a ball at the same time, or couldn't run and change directions? How many track stars could play in the NBA, or play lacrosse, hockey, tennis or soccer? I'd love to see you turn your track athlete into Patrick Mahomes, Kevin Durant or Lionel Messi.
          You didn't address the core statement. You can't make someone fast that isn't. That is a fact.

          So how did Usain Bolt do in soccer while only dabbling in it? Enough to make some of the "pros" worry. "Perth Glory forward Andy Keogh was critical of Bolt's ability, stating his first touch is "like a trampoline." He added Bolt has "shown a bit of potential but it's a little bit of a kick in the teeth to the professionals that are in the league."

          You are kidding, right? Many pro athletes (NFL, Baseball, Basketball, Lacrosse and Soccer have participated in track). It's a great foundation. You learn how to run correctly; how to maintain stamina; learning how to breath to conserve energy..there is a science and bio-mechanics behind it.

          The following comes from a terrific website, trackingfootball.com. One of the co-founders, Aaron Hunter has been quoted as saying, "Track performance in itself does not always tell us a guy can play football, however it does show inclinations on who does NOT have the ability to play. Thus track performance is a great indicator of D1 athleticism.” 60% of players drafted by the NFL participated in high school Track and Field.

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            #50
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            You didn't address the core statement. You can't make someone fast that isn't. That is a fact.

            So how did Usain Bolt do in soccer while only dabbling in it? Enough to make some of the "pros" worry. "Perth Glory forward Andy Keogh was critical of Bolt's ability, stating his first touch is "like a trampoline." He added Bolt has "shown a bit of potential but it's a little bit of a kick in the teeth to the professionals that are in the league."

            You are kidding, right? Many pro athletes (NFL, Baseball, Basketball, Lacrosse and Soccer have participated in track). It's a great foundation. You learn how to run correctly; how to maintain stamina; learning how to breath to conserve energy..there is a science and bio-mechanics behind it.

            The following comes from a terrific website, trackingfootball.com. One of the co-founders, Aaron Hunter has been quoted as saying, "Track performance in itself does not always tell us a guy can play football, however it does show inclinations on who does NOT have the ability to play. Thus track performance is a great indicator of D1 athleticism.” 60% of players drafted by the NFL participated in high school Track and Field.
            And this is why the US will never be a world soccer powerhouse. Track has nothing to do with soccer... nothing. The fact that you don't even recognize that the fitness required to play 90 minutes of soccer is neither a sprinter or a long-distance runner, but both tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of the specifics of fitness and athleticism for soccer.

            Talking about form, how does your form hold up as a striker when you have 6'2 Centerbacks shouldering into you or a CDM grabbing you from behind? How does that straight line sprint work hold up when you're getting caught offsides because you're not curving your run to stay onsides as the backs are stepping up? Or the backs drop off and give you no space to run on. How does that high jump translate when you have 12 bodies in the box all jumping at the same time for the ball and knocking into you? I haven't even started on the requirements of being able to manipulate the ball under pressure, which for most is taught at very early ages.

            Athleticism is required for soccer, but to think a track star can step on the pitch and perform without focusing on it tells me you don't follow much high level soccer. There are absolutely some kids who can and do multiple sports in HS and end up playing soccer at D1, but very few, because the recruiting is done at the club level and high level D1 means DA/ECNL/top NPL. The commitment for those teams means no time for missing games and showcases. Sorry to burst your bubble, but take a look at the top D1 recruits for the 2020 class. Very few played multiple sports all year long. The likely played HS soccer, maybe basketball during the winter because club really doesn't pick up until spring, then club soccer. Coaches want to ensure their recruits know the game tactically and technically and HS alone isn't enough. No D1 coach worth his salary is taking a track star who happens to play a little soccer. And forget the pros. The rest of the world has this figured out... only here in the US do we still have parents who think playing multiple sports is the answer. In Europe, you don't play sports in school. It's either pro/academy coaching or volunteer/rec and all outside school. Think on that.

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              #51
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              And this is why the US will never be a world soccer powerhouse. Track has nothing to do with soccer... nothing. The fact that you don't even recognize that the fitness required to play 90 minutes of soccer is neither a sprinter or a long-distance runner, but both tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of the specifics of fitness and athleticism for soccer.

              Talking about form, how does your form hold up as a striker when you have 6'2 Centerbacks shouldering into you or a CDM grabbing you from behind? How does that straight line sprint work hold up when you're getting caught offsides because you're not curving your run to stay onsides as the backs are stepping up? Or the backs drop off and give you no space to run on. How does that high jump translate when you have 12 bodies in the box all jumping at the same time for the ball and knocking into you? I haven't even started on the requirements of being able to manipulate the ball under pressure, which for most is taught at very early ages.

              Athleticism is required for soccer, but to think a track star can step on the pitch and perform without focusing on it tells me you don't follow much high level soccer. There are absolutely some kids who can and do multiple sports in HS and end up playing soccer at D1, but very few, because the recruiting is done at the club level and high level D1 means DA/ECNL/top NPL. The commitment for those teams means no time for missing games and showcases. Sorry to burst your bubble, but take a look at the top D1 recruits for the 2020 class. Very few played multiple sports all year long. The likely played HS soccer, maybe basketball during the winter because club really doesn't pick up until spring, then club soccer. Coaches want to ensure their recruits know the game tactically and technically and HS alone isn't enough. No D1 coach worth his salary is taking a track star who happens to play a little soccer. And forget the pros. The rest of the world has this figured out... only here in the US do we still have parents who think playing multiple sports is the answer. In Europe, you don't play sports in school. It's either pro/academy coaching or volunteer/rec and all outside school. Think on that.
              Yet Usain Bolt did just that. With a little more training, then just a few months, who knows how he would have developed.

              Agreed, you need the technical ability/iq too, but if you have the speed (which is something that can't be taught), you are halfway there. Some major mids may take a chance.

              No one is picking a mudder; unless it's basketball. You can camp out by and under the basket if you are slow or out of gas while the rest of your team is heading down the court.

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                #52
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                You didn't address the core statement. You can't make someone fast that isn't. That is a fact.

                So how did Usain Bolt do in soccer while only dabbling in it? Enough to make some of the "pros" worry. "Perth Glory forward Andy Keogh was critical of Bolt's ability, stating his first touch is "like a trampoline." He added Bolt has "shown a bit of potential but it's a little bit of a kick in the teeth to the professionals that are in the league."

                You are kidding, right? Many pro athletes (NFL, Baseball, Basketball, Lacrosse and Soccer have participated in track). It's a great foundation. You learn how to run correctly; how to maintain stamina; learning how to breath to conserve energy..there is a science and bio-mechanics behind it.

                The following comes from a terrific website, trackingfootball.com. One of the co-founders, Aaron Hunter has been quoted as saying, "Track performance in itself does not always tell us a guy can play football, however it does show inclinations on who does NOT have the ability to play. Thus track performance is a great indicator of D1 athleticism.” 60% of players drafted by the NFL participated in high school Track and Field.
                You're right. You cannot make someone fast who isn't. AND, you cannot say "Bob is fast on the track; therefore, he would be good at (soccer, basketball, football, lacrosse, tennis, etc.)." The sports that require physical and mental agility, hand-eye or foot-eye coordination, etc. generally value more than just track ability. Some of the greatest players in those sports have had average speed compared to their peers.

                BTW - Your use of a football-track analogy doesn't support your point very well. Football is one sport that has lower skill requirements than other sports. It puts a premium on sheer size and speed, so track is a good off-season sport to use to prepare for football. Can you imagine a soccer, basketball or lacrosse athlete taking a season off from mastering their skills to run track - and seriously think that they'd improve in their sport?

                Finally - track performance as a great indicator of D1 athleticism is laughable. Tom Brady wouldn't have fared very well on the track, nor would Steph Curry, Peyton Manning, James Harden, Joel Embiid, Mike Trout, Sidney Crosby, Roger Federer.... (Do you want 500 names or should I stop here?)

                I have raised 3 D1 college athletes, and unless they've added a 3-cone drill, shuttle run, a throwing & catching competition, or some kind of "kick a ball 50 yards on a line into a 2x2 target" competition they would all fare poorly in track.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  And this is why the US will never be a world soccer powerhouse. Track has nothing to do with soccer... nothing. The fact that you don't even recognize that the fitness required to play 90 minutes of soccer is neither a sprinter or a long-distance runner, but both tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of the specifics of fitness and athleticism for soccer.

                  Talking about form, how does your form hold up as a striker when you have 6'2 Centerbacks shouldering into you or a CDM grabbing you from behind? How does that straight line sprint work hold up when you're getting caught offsides because you're not curving your run to stay onsides as the backs are stepping up? Or the backs drop off and give you no space to run on. How does that high jump translate when you have 12 bodies in the box all jumping at the same time for the ball and knocking into you? I haven't even started on the requirements of being able to manipulate the ball under pressure, which for most is taught at very early ages.

                  Athleticism is required for soccer, but to think a track star can step on the pitch and perform without focusing on it tells me you don't follow much high level soccer. There are absolutely some kids who can and do multiple sports in HS and end up playing soccer at D1, but very few, because the recruiting is done at the club level and high level D1 means DA/ECNL/top NPL. The commitment for those teams means no time for missing games and showcases. Sorry to burst your bubble, but take a look at the top D1 recruits for the 2020 class. Very few played multiple sports all year long. The likely played HS soccer, maybe basketball during the winter because club really doesn't pick up until spring, then club soccer. Coaches want to ensure their recruits know the game tactically and technically and HS alone isn't enough. No D1 coach worth his salary is taking a track star who happens to play a little soccer. And forget the pros. The rest of the world has this figured out... only here in the US do we still have parents who think playing multiple sports is the answer. In Europe, you don't play sports in school. It's either pro/academy coaching or volunteer/rec and all outside school. Think on that.
                  Our HS had a track star that liked playing soccer as her other sport. She was a sprinter (state champ in the 200 if I remember right), and didn't play soccer at all other than during the fall HS season. It was incredible to watch, as she would lurk a full 5-10yards away from the CB's at midfield to lull them to sleep, and the team would bomb it over the top and she'd just blow by everyone for a breakaway. As long as the ball was on her right foot (she didn't kick with her left at all), she could put the ball on target and get goals.

                  She'd rack up 10-12 goals over the first half of the schedule, then get maybe 5-6 during the rematch portion of the schedule - then get shutout when tournament time came and she was facing real skilled players and teams that could really defend as a group. It sure was exciting though...

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    You're right. You cannot make someone fast who isn't. AND, you cannot say "Bob is fast on the track; therefore, he would be good at (soccer, basketball, football, lacrosse, tennis, etc.)." The sports that require physical and mental agility, hand-eye or foot-eye coordination, etc. generally value more than just track ability. Some of the greatest players in those sports have had average speed compared to their peers.

                    BTW - Your use of a football-track analogy doesn't support your point very well. Football is one sport that has lower skill requirements than other sports. It puts a premium on sheer size and speed, so track is a good off-season sport to use to prepare for football. Can you imagine a soccer, basketball or lacrosse athlete taking a season off from mastering their skills to run track - and seriously think that they'd improve in their sport?

                    Finally - track performance as a great indicator of D1 athleticism is laughable. Tom Brady wouldn't have fared very well on the track, nor would Steph Curry, Peyton Manning, James Harden, Joel Embiid, Mike Trout, Sidney Crosby, Roger Federer.... (Do you want 500 names or should I stop here?)

                    I have raised 3 D1 college athletes, and unless they've added a 3-cone drill, shuttle run, a throwing & catching competition, or some kind of "kick a ball 50 yards on a line into a 2x2 target" competition they would all fare poorly in track.
                    You are naming athletes that would never have played or picked soccer either. Do you want 500 names? No one is saying take a season off.

                    I have raised 3 D1 college athletes too. Funny huh?

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Our HS had a track star that liked playing soccer as her other sport. She was a sprinter (state champ in the 200 if I remember right), and didn't play soccer at all other than during the fall HS season. It was incredible to watch, as she would lurk a full 5-10yards away from the CB's at midfield to lull them to sleep, and the team would bomb it over the top and she'd just blow by everyone for a breakaway. As long as the ball was on her right foot (she didn't kick with her left at all), she could put the ball on target and get goals.

                      She'd rack up 10-12 goals over the first half of the schedule, then get maybe 5-6 during the rematch portion of the schedule - then get shutout when tournament time came and she was facing real skilled players and teams that could really defend as a group. It sure was exciting though...
                      High school soccer consists of all sports some of which may have soccer as their primary sport. All sports specialize, including track. Some athletes are interchangeable based on skill set and similar traits, but in today's sports world, a kid has to be honing his/her skills in high level club outside of high school in any sport they pick as their primary if they want to play that sport in college or beyond. Sports for fun are a by gone memory for kids today, sadly.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Our HS had a track star that liked playing soccer as her other sport. She was a sprinter (state champ in the 200 if I remember right), and didn't play soccer at all other than during the fall HS season. It was incredible to watch, as she would lurk a full 5-10yards away from the CB's at midfield to lull them to sleep, and the team would bomb it over the top and she'd just blow by everyone for a breakaway. As long as the ball was on her right foot (she didn't kick with her left at all), she could put the ball on target and get goals.

                        She'd rack up 10-12 goals over the first half of the schedule, then get maybe 5-6 during the rematch portion of the schedule - then get shutout when tournament time came and she was facing real skilled players and teams that could really defend as a group. It sure was exciting though...
                        Here's the thing... this is the easiest thing to defend against once you recognize it's all the player can do. Can't use their left, push them onto their left foot. Can't dribble in tight space and needs space to run on? Drop and absorb the pressure instead of chasing. Like you said, once you play teams in the post-season that actually know how to read and adjust to what they see in the game and are experienced in team defending, these players get shut down.

                        It's too bad that they don't specialize, as they have the natural athletic talent to excel, but without the cognitive and technical development from playing ball all year, they don't develop and end up running track in college instead of becoming soccer players. Nothing wrong with the choice, and it's what the multi-sport proponents support, but it doesn't move the needle in terms of furthering soccer in this country.

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