Academic tip for D3 recruiting?

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It seems like you are conflating the the student’s choice and the parent’s posturing.
I agree with everything you state above about any student’s decision on where they enroll, how they pay, and if they play. This is a very personal choice that i.

Where I side with BTDT is that there are those parents (not all) who pompously position their D3 decision as not only a superior outcome but a superior set of family values that place “Academics First”. They take this position blind to the blatantly obvious fact that everything they prioritized over the past 5 years in elite club soccer was about Athletics.

Nope, no conflation. There are parents who are pompous and narcissistic beyond belief with kids at every level or every sport/endeavor (and you are well aware of one of those here).

You have fallen into the classic BTNT move whereby you exaggerated something and then play off your own exaggeration. There is not a single parent here who, by analogy, would claim that Calipari told them their kid would start for Kentucky and then the family decided to send the kid to play at Williams (insert your own fave D3) instead. Not one. And your last sentence also is a distortion. Most in this demographic don't stop valuing academics and then pick that up again....hence, why so many kids especially at the higher levels of club go to ISLs or high income public high schools. Sorry, I'm just not going to flip out if a parent at Tufts tells me his kid had solid interest from Colgate or Holy Cross. Not that big of a deal, and certainly not worth distorting my position to appear as though I am way down at the other end of this stuff with BTNT. At any rate, defend him all you want, but can you help us with when enough is enough and help us with what is wrong with him?

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Given that the poster argues in the same way Paul Heinsohn does, it seems that the poster is probably him.

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Given that the poster argues in the same way Paul Heinsohn does, it seems that the poster is probably him.

LOL. Probably. He certainly knows how to avoid very direct, concrete questions exactly like BTNT, and provided zero context to show that he is someone else. Let's see....both of my last posts before this had several direct questions. Maybe this "BTDT-like" poster can help us out. I will not be holding my breath.

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It’s a beautiful day. Monday.

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Um...is this a thread about D3 soccer? For some reason it seems to have gone into the sh*t bowl again.

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D3 home of great students good athletes.D1 great athletes and great students who can handle and crave the intensity of D1 sports.Nothing wrong with Top D3 top I mean Amherst and Williams .

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D3 home of great students good athletes.D1 great athletes and great students who can handle and crave the intensity of D1 sports.Nothing wrong with Top D3 top I mean Amherst and Williams .

Come on dude. Give it a rest. Not every d1 athlete is a "great" athlete and if they all could handle the intensity of D1 sports more would last all 4 years. Definitely not are great students. You don't need to be a great student to get into Akron or plenty of other D1 schools.

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Um...is this a thread about D3 soccer? For some reason it seems to have gone into the sh*t bowl again.

What’s left to say?
Tips exist as pre-approved status for ED application.
Timeline peaks during junior year with pre-read decision shared first week of Jul.
Come July either 1) Coach doesn’t call 2) coach calls and says nice things including admissions just wants to see progress in senior fall (aka No), or 3) coach calls with good news of pre-approval from admissions, so go ahead and apply ED.

If you get pre-approval, Congrats! let the anxiety drop and the affinity rise.

One caveat for that Approved status for high Academic prospects: Confirm thru club coach that athlete has actual college coach support. Sometimes coach will try to simply communicate that high academic student got a “looks good” from admitted

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D3 home of great students good athletes.D1 great athletes and great students who can handle and crave the intensity of D1 sports.Nothing wrong with Top D3 top I mean Amherst and Williams .

That's too general. Not all D1 are great athletes or great students. Same for D3. It really depends on the school and the situation. Some D1 schools aren't great academically. Same w D3.

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That's too general. Not all D1 are great athletes or great students. Same for D3. It really depends on the school and the situation. Some D1 schools aren't great academically. Same w D3.

That’s what is always funny about these threads. We always are certain to separate out the P5 schools as only available to athletic unicorns and discount them as irrelevant for the masses of local soccer players but then we want to lump all the D3 schools into the same bucket as though they are all equal and extremely relevant to the average college bound soccer kid. The reality of the situation is there is an even sharper distinction between what the world sees as the top elite academic institutions and what most here see as one. Even fewer local kids are getting into the real top band academic institutions to play soccer than are going to and playing for P5 programs so by the standard set on this site those schools aren’t any more relevant for discussion than the Stanford’s and UVA’s of the soccer world are for this site. One interesting thing as far as the D3’s go, if you look at the Forbes and US News rankings, outside of MIT many of the D3’s are falling in prestige and what many perceive around here to be “elite” schools are actually in the same general band now as BC and several Patriot League schools. At least as far as rankings go, when you see a place like Williams down to at 19 it would seem the small New England Liberal Arts colleges are falling out of favor for larger Universities. I suspect the reason is over the last decade colleges have had almost a arms race type of mindset with fund raising and building programs and just the sheer volume of the alumni pools of the large (and predominantly D1) at the top of the rankings have just overwhelmed their fund raising abilities. Like many things in our society the gap between the upper and middle tiers is widening.

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That’s what is always funny about these threads. We always are certain to separate out the P5 schools as only available to athletic unicorns and discount them as irrelevant for the masses of local soccer players but then we want to lump all the D3 schools into the same bucket as though they are all equal and extremely relevant to the average college bound soccer kid. The reality of the situation is there is an even sharper distinction between what the world sees as the top elite academic institutions and what most here see as one. Even fewer local kids are getting into the real top band academic institutions to play soccer than are going to and playing for P5 programs so by the standard set on this site those schools aren’t any more relevant for discussion than the Stanford’s and UVA’s of the soccer world are for this site. One interesting thing as far as the D3’s go, if you look at the Forbes and US News rankings, outside of MIT many of the D3’s are falling in prestige and what many perceive around here to be “elite” schools are actually in the same general band now as BC and several Patriot League schools. At least as far as rankings go, when you see a place like Williams down to at 19 it would seem the small New England Liberal Arts colleges are falling out of favor for larger Universities. I suspect the reason is over the last decade colleges have had almost a arms race type of mindset with fund raising and building programs and just the sheer volume of the alumni pools of the large (and predominantly D1) at the top of the rankings have just overwhelmed their fund raising abilities. Like many things in our society the gap between the upper and middle tiers is widening.

Sure, whatever you say, BTNT.

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I know this exists in the Ivys but does this also exist with academically strong D3s? Son plays for a DA club for the class of 2021. GPA is 3.6 at an academically rigorous high school but his SAT score is not in the lower end of regular acceptances. He is scoring around 1150-1200 on practice SAT tests. We’ve hired a tutor to increase his scores but realistically he’ll probably top out at 1250. Do coaches have any sway in the admissions process for a likely letter?

Bringing back OP Question:! What I hear in this thread:
Target Realistically for both Academics and Soccer
Tips are real, they pull qualified student out of regular admissions coin flip
Boosts are scarce, Player must be mismatch for that level, and almost there academically

No school recruits a student athlete AT their level, to get an offer school needs to feel that the student/player is raising the level athletically and/or academically. Both is best

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Bringing back OP Question:! What I hear in this thread:
Target Realistically for both Academics and Soccer
Tips are real, they pull qualified student out of regular admissions coin flip
Boosts are scarce, Player must be mismatch for that level, and almost there academically

No school recruits a student athlete AT their level, to get an offer school needs to feel that the student/player is raising the level athletically and/or academically. Both is best

Let's clean this up a bit. Boosts are only scarce at the D3 level. They are standard fare at the D1 level. Realistically the type of player that is going to earn a boost at the D3 level is one that is realistically a scholarship level prospect for a low level D1 program like one of the Patriot League schools and then that brings the conversation back to the classic "do you take 50% (or 25% if a boy) from a Holy Cross or a boost from a Tufts" argument that has propelled these types of threads for years here.

D1 programs routinely recruit players that a coach projects to be "par" for their level. That is a player that they project will be starting or at least earning significant minutes within a 1 or so. On the girls side, that player is getting offered roughly a 50% scholarship. On the boys side that same quality player is probably getting half that because of the lower scholarship numbers and the lesser funding generally found. The players like you are referencing actually project with a higher ceiling than that (think 4 year starter or early contributor) so they are going to get a significantly better deal. Think 75-80% on the girls side and 45-50% on the boys side. D1 coaches do recruit a few players a year that project to fulfill more career bench type roles but they seldom are giving them much scholarship money. That is the type of player that routinely weighs the "a Holy Cross or a Tufts" sort of decision but that level player is not going to be offered a boost at a Tufts. They may very well get a tip and that may be a perfect resolution as far as the family is concerned but they are not really getting a whole lot beyond the comfort of knowing their application is going to be given a little extra weight in the admissions process.

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Let's clean this up a bit. Boosts are only scarce at the D3 level. They are standard fare at the D1 level. Realistically the type of player that is going to earn a boost at the D3 level is one that is realistically a scholarship level prospect for a low level D1 program like one of the Patriot League schools and then that brings the conversation back to the classic "do you take 50% (or 25% if a boy) from a Holy Cross or a boost from a Tufts" argument that has propelled these types of threads for years here.

D1 programs routinely recruit players that a coach projects to be "par" for their level. That is a player that they project will be starting or at least earning significant minutes within a 1 or so. On the girls side, that player is getting offered roughly a 50% scholarship. On the boys side that same quality player is probably getting half that because of the lower scholarship numbers and the lesser funding generally found. The players like you are referencing actually project with a higher ceiling than that (think 4 year starter or early contributor) so they are going to get a significantly better deal. Think 75-80% on the girls side and 45-50% on the boys side. D1 coaches do recruit a few players a year that project to fulfill more career bench type roles but they seldom are giving them much scholarship money. That is the type of player that routinely weighs the "a Holy Cross or a Tufts" sort of decision but that level player is not going to be offered a boost at a Tufts. They may very well get a tip and that may be a perfect resolution as far as the family is concerned but they are not really getting a whole lot beyond the comfort of knowing their application is going to be given a little extra weight in the admissions process.

Yep, the latter is all we're looking for. Funny, you used to heavily criticize trying to go over one's head academically. Getting a real legit admit and then also playing soccer at a good school seems pretty ideal. Thousands have done this and none have come on here and complained in hindsight....only YOU on their behalf lol.

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Let's clean this up a bit. Boosts are only scarce at the D3 level. They are standard fare at the D1 level. Realistically the type of player that is going to earn a boost at the D3 level is one that is realistically a scholarship level prospect for a low level D1 program like one of the Patriot League schools and then that brings the conversation back to the classic "do you take 50% (or 25% if a boy) from a Holy Cross or a boost from a Tufts" argument that has propelled these types of threads for years here.

D1 programs routinely recruit players that a coach projects to be "par" for their level. That is a player that they project will be starting or at least earning significant minutes within a 1 or so. On the girls side, that player is getting offered roughly a 50% scholarship. On the boys side that same quality player is probably getting half that because of the lower scholarship numbers and the lesser funding generally found. The players like you are referencing actually project with a higher ceiling than that (think 4 year starter or early contributor) so they are going to get a significantly better deal. Think 75-80% on the girls side and 45-50% on the boys side. D1 coaches do recruit a few players a year that project to fulfill more career bench type roles but they seldom are giving them much scholarship money. That is the type of player that routinely weighs the "a Holy Cross or a Tufts" sort of decision but that level player is not going to be offered a boost at a Tufts. They may very well get a tip and that may be a perfect resolution as far as the family is concerned but they are not really getting a whole lot beyond the comfort of knowing their application is going to be given a little extra weight in the admissions process.

Thanks for clarifying. Per post title, what I posted re: Boosts applied solely to D3.

I like your “Par” phrase for D1. D1 does recruit for their level
Many D1 athletes get lifted above their academic target, while other good student athletes use academics to lift them above their athletic target (bench AI booster).

Every family makes their choice among money, hi soccer, and hi academics.
Most optimize for 1, few get 2, and the rare studs get all 3