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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    The article offers only generalities. I am yet to hear Mr Gans say anything specific. "Joy and Passion" is the central theme, which you dismiss and conclude is wrong and replace it with 'hard work and sacrifice'. Well, you are wrong to replace 'Joy and Passion' at all. While I don't know what you do as a living and certainly hope you are successful at it, but to be very very successful at anything you have to have the 'Joy and Passion' to be wiling to 'work hard and sacrifice'. Not only aren't the two mutually exclusive, but they go hand in hand. Mr Gans never mentions the latter and you dismiss the former.

    One does wonder if Mr Gans has generalized US soccer based on his own kids who either lost the passion, weren't able to work hard, or simply are not great soccer players. Instead of the latter two, he uses the 'lost passion' as an excuse to explain why they aren't at Wake Forest, or playing professional ball. I think it is simpler than that. They might not be great soccer players and, like many, had parents that saw the 'American Soccer Dream' leaving the port. As for 'joy and passion' I wonder if parents are the ones who suck it out of the game by un-met expectations from kids who might have otherwise enjoyed a fun game at whatever level they are at or able to get to.

    As for the clubs, there are certainly ways to improve that realm as well, none of which are mentioned in the article or any other article that I have read. It has become a massive business. Although my kids have enjoyed GPS quite a bit during the years they were there, one has to look at it as a massive industry and one that hasn't really produced todays or tomorrow professional or national team players. On the other hand, maybe they understand it better than others. Perhaps they do provide the opportunity for kids to excel at multiple different levels......as long as their parents accept it i.e. no 'little mias or messi'. The one good thing I see from regulation is to improve the ability and maturity of coaches so that each and every player can find some success. However, the larger clubs (especially Bolts, NEFC, Stars, ? GPS) seriously emphasize the top level teams while the others seem to exist to help fund the top talent.

    Personally, I see US soccer as a failed entity with a misplaced goal. Actually what is the goal? If the goal is to produce a great national team then the path is not less club soccer and more high school ball. The path might be more. All across the world the prominent clubs have residencies. Training occurs twice a day (5-7 days per week) including skills, small games, strategy sessions, and fitness. These clubs have selected out the top talent and they make no apologies for weeding out from the start, during, and toward the end of the process. An education is provided at the same time. It is 'hard work and sacrifice', but without the 'joy and passion'.....and, dare i say, ability....your child will be weeded out. As across the country, the sacrifice is not money, but instead, it is the separation of child from primary family and child-hood friends to go school/camp year after year to try to achieve something that they may or may not get. In the big picture, top players come out, while many others have to accept some 'lesser' sport reality. The latter, with the right support i.e. parents...can be turned into another path of success in something else.

    I can't see American families willing to give up their kids at the age of 10, 11, or 12 to attend a soccer residency. It is the joy of every parent, and the benefit of every kid to maintain the nuclear family and be together every day to be supportive in success and failure. Especially in the current 'pansy' like environment that is perpetuated more by the left, 'each and every kid wins a trophy' and 'no one can experience failure and/or feel bad about it'. We, as a society have this fear that our children will grow up as mass-murderers if they experience any failure. What we have is a generation that now might not be able to cope with failure. Well, this is the failure of parents. If you want to build the best then the family has to be willing to sacrifice and be supportive at the same time. The child needs to have 'joy and passion' to work hard even if not a huge success in the end, which might only reflect abilty. The success is, instead, the process of working hard and sacrificing for something you love. That is the ability that will allow that child to be successful in another path. But, it is the parents that have to be supportive.

    Parents, and, perhaps US soccer.....and Mr Gans, have not accepted this reality or are unable to be supportive and adjust and adapt to success and non-success of their kids. It is this that spoils the 'joy and passion'.

    I agree that this is what Soccer America should be writing. Mr Gans, or at least the Mr Gans that is portrayed by his Soccer America interview sounds like a lost parent whose kids are going pro or D1.
    Words like Joy and Passion are tossed out there but have to be joined with hard work and sacrifice. We don't need less soccer and high school soccer is so variable that I can understand why kids might not want to participate.

    What is needed is more training and more quality training as stated above.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      I agree that this is what Soccer America should be writing. Mr Gans, or at least the Mr Gans that is portrayed by his Soccer America interview sounds like a lost parent whose kids are going pro or D1.
      Words like Joy and Passion are tossed out there but have to be joined with hard work and sacrifice. We don't need less soccer and high school soccer is so variable that I can understand why kids might not want to participate.

      What is needed is more training and more quality training as stated above.
      Everyone should bitching about how bad HS soccer is and someone should come up with a top flight solution that is for our uber players that they simply can not refuse that gives them some sort of tangible benefit.

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        #18
        [QUOTE=Unregistered;2421269]Most sports in America are for kids to have fun. When they stop being kids, I.e. college, they get a real job. For the few sports we watch here,there is a more defined pro career path. Soccer isn’t one of those. About a few dozen kids/year actually manage to get a pro soccer career nationally. That translates to less than one kid a year here in MA. You don’t need a process for that. The three feeders for that are Revs home grown, Berkshire, and the resident IMG academy. That is sufficient. So keep your head on straight. Club soccer here is to have fun then maybe play at college. Nothing more.[/QUOTE

        Well said. It’s about time people accept this reality about soccer in the US.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Most sports in America are for kids to have fun. When they stop being kids, I.e. college, they get a real job. For the few sports we watch here,there is a more defined pro career path. Soccer isn’t one of those. About a few dozen kids/year actually manage to get a pro soccer career nationally. That translates to less than one kid a year here in MA. You don’t need a process for that. The three feeders for that are Revs home grown, Berkshire, and the resident IMG academy. That is sufficient. So keep your head on straight. Club soccer here is to have fun then maybe play at college. Nothing more.
          More than three feeders. Many DA clubs have produced professional players. Locally Bolts (Geoff Cameron, Miles Robinson) and Seacoast (Siad Haji most recently)are in there as well several other prep schools. Resident IMG academy (I assume you're referring to Bradenton) is going downhill in that respect.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            More than three feeders. Many DA clubs have produced professional players. Locally Bolts (Geoff Cameron, Miles Robinson) and Seacoast (Siad Haji most recently)are in there as well several other prep schools. Resident IMG academy (I assume you're referring to Bradenton) is going downhill in that respect.
            SH is a Kenyan kid who lived in Manchester, NH. Not MA.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              More than three feeders. Many DA clubs have produced professional players. Locally Bolts (Geoff Cameron, Miles Robinson) and Seacoast (Siad Haji most recently)are in there as well several other prep schools. Resident IMG academy (I assume you're referring to Bradenton) is going downhill in that respect.
              Add Mac Steeves to the list of pros.
              Also, I think the IMG residency was done/closed.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                No. It is a school where academics are taught. Soccer/Fitness is twice per day that do not interfere with the academics.

                Kids aren't signed off into slavery. They have a choice to go pro or not. However, if they decide to go pro, the sign a contract in which the pro team pays for the player and pays the club.

                The soccer contract is little different than what the Revs do. If they decide to sign their own 'home grown' there is a contract.
                While residency programs do exist, that is not how the biggest European clubs operate. Their model isn’t all that different from what most Americans would experience in club soccer. Players live at home, juggle school and soccer, and travel long distances to practices and games. But there are 4 BIG differences:

                1) the clubs, not parents, are paying for the vast majority of the cost
                2) without pay-to-play, both rich and poor in equal numbers have a shot at playing club
                3) without parents paying, the focus is on player development, not just winning
                4) players are constantly evaluated and by U-14/15, most are sent home. Imagine 90% of your club being told it is the end of the road at U-14.

                Here is an article written from the perspective of an American parent/coach of PSG’s program https://www.acsamoa.com/Default.aspx?tabid=868998

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                  #23
                  Playing a few years of USL is not a real pro sports career. It would be like playing for the Lowell Spinners then calling yourself a MLB star.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Playing a few years of USL is not a real pro sports career. It would be like playing for the Lowell Spinners then calling yourself a MLB star.
                    Well, no. That an illogical argument.

                    Playing in the USL means you play professional soccer. If you play for the Lowell Spinners that means you play professional baseball.

                    Now, if you tried to say that playing in the USL and calling yourself an MLS star, then your point would make some sense.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Playing a few years of USL is not a real pro sports career. It would be like playing for the Lowell Spinners then calling yourself a MLB star.
                      Moving the bar much ?

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Well, no. That an illogical argument.

                        Playing in the USL means you play professional soccer. If you play for the Lowell Spinners that means you play professional baseball.

                        Now, if you tried to say that playing in the USL and calling yourself an MLS star, then your point would make some sense.
                        A few years at that salary do not a career make. Can you envision a 20 year career for a kid in USL? I guess Kevin Costner pulled it off in Durham.😏

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          A few years at that salary do not a career make. Can you envision a 20 year career for a kid in USL? I guess Kevin Costner pulled it off in Durham.😏
                          Triple A Ball player gets $10k/Mth
                          Double A Ball player gets $6k/Mth

                          USL player gets $2-3k/Mth paid only during the season. You could do better than that at Burger King.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Triple A Ball player gets $10k/Mth
                            Double A Ball player gets $6k/Mth

                            USL player gets $2-3k/Mth paid only during the season. You could do better than that at Burger King.
                            Well at least he's close enough to get some home cooked meals. Maybe he can expand Bolts into the Hartford Area... Think big!

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Triple A Ball player gets $10k/Mth
                              Double A Ball player gets $6k/Mth

                              USL player gets $2-3k/Mth paid only during the season. You could do better than that at Burger King.
                              Flipping whoppers will get you $16k/yr plus benefits.
                              If you want to go big, forget the whopper and go In N Out, for $22k/yr. Most of them are in high COL states.
                              USL is $12-18 w/o benefits. My kid bailed when he saw that.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                The article offers only generalities. I am yet to hear Mr Gans say anything specific. "Joy and Passion" is the central theme, which you dismiss and conclude is wrong and replace it with 'hard work and sacrifice'. Well, you are wrong to replace 'Joy and Passion' at all. While I don't know what you do as a living and certainly hope you are successful at it, but to be very very successful at anything you have to have the 'Joy and Passion' to be wiling to 'work hard and sacrifice'. Not only aren't the two mutually exclusive, but they go hand in hand. Mr Gans never mentions the latter and you dismiss the former.

                                One does wonder if Mr Gans has generalized US soccer based on his own kids who either lost the passion, weren't able to work hard, or simply are not great soccer players. Instead of the latter two, he uses the 'lost passion' as an excuse to explain why they aren't at Wake Forest, or playing professional ball. I think it is simpler than that. They might not be great soccer players and, like many, had parents that saw the 'American Soccer Dream' leaving the port. As for 'joy and passion' I wonder if parents are the ones who suck it out of the game by un-met expectations from kids who might have otherwise enjoyed a fun game at whatever level they are at or able to get to.

                                As for the clubs, there are certainly ways to improve that realm as well, none of which are mentioned in the article or any other article that I have read. It has become a massive business. Although my kids have enjoyed GPS quite a bit during the years they were there, one has to look at it as a massive industry and one that hasn't really produced todays or tomorrow professional or national team players. On the other hand, maybe they understand it better than others. Perhaps they do provide the opportunity for kids to excel at multiple different levels......as long as their parents accept it i.e. no 'little mias or messi'. The one good thing I see from regulation is to improve the ability and maturity of coaches so that each and every player can find some success. However, the larger clubs (especially Bolts, NEFC, Stars, ? GPS) seriously emphasize the top level teams while the others seem to exist to help fund the top talent.

                                Personally, I see US soccer as a failed entity with a misplaced goal. Actually what is the goal? If the goal is to produce a great national team then the path is not less club soccer and more high school ball. The path might be more. All across the world the prominent clubs have residencies. Training occurs twice a day (5-7 days per week) including skills, small games, strategy sessions, and fitness. These clubs have selected out the top talent and they make no apologies for weeding out from the start, during, and toward the end of the process. An education is provided at the same time. It is 'hard work and sacrifice', but without the 'joy and passion'.....and, dare i say, ability....your child will be weeded out. As across the country, the sacrifice is not money, but instead, it is the separation of child from primary family and child-hood friends to go school/camp year after year to try to achieve something that they may or may not get. In the big picture, top players come out, while many others have to accept some 'lesser' sport reality. The latter, with the right support i.e. parents...can be turned into another path of success in something else.

                                I can't see American families willing to give up their kids at the age of 10, 11, or 12 to attend a soccer residency. It is the joy of every parent, and the benefit of every kid to maintain the nuclear family and be together every day to be supportive in success and failure. Especially in the current 'pansy' like environment that is perpetuated more by the left, 'each and every kid wins a trophy' and 'no one can experience failure and/or feel bad about it'. We, as a society have this fear that our children will grow up as mass-murderers if they experience any failure. What we have is a generation that now might not be able to cope with failure. Well, this is the failure of parents. If you want to build the best then the family has to be willing to sacrifice and be supportive at the same time. The child needs to have 'joy and passion' to work hard even if not a huge success in the end, which might only reflect abilty. The success is, instead, the process of working hard and sacrificing for something you love. That is the ability that will allow that child to be successful in another path. But, it is the parents that have to be supportive.

                                Parents, and, perhaps US soccer.....and Mr Gans, have not accepted this reality or are unable to be supportive and adjust and adapt to success and non-success of their kids. It is this that spoils the 'joy and passion'.
                                Obviously not your elite white suburbans. The working class is where residential prodigies are made - like Beckham. They're in it for the future chance at opportunity, unlike the current soccer crew in the US that's shedding $, and Audi filled rides to club practices.

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