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    Hypothetical and asking for a friend.

    Kid is 15-22 on ECNL roster. Stay? Drop to NPL team? Leave for greener (smaller) pastures?

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Hypothetical and asking for a friend.

    Kid is 15-22 on ECNL roster. Stay? Drop to NPL team? Leave for greener (smaller) pastures?
    Depends how much your kid can take. How mentally tough and is she a kid that has potential to fight and compete. The 2001 and 2002 teams have delivered with college commitments to almost all of those players. It is a tough road to be bottom of those rosters but the players did get what they wanted as far as college recruitment.

    Composite team is there at CFC for these kids. If the kid can handle the “Composite player” tag its not a bad option. I’m guessing you are a parent of one of the new kids to ECNL? Feel your kid out and see what she really wants. Is she ok with Composite team?

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      #3
      Depends on numbers on the NPL side. Can’t garantee morebgame time or even a spot. If if NPL is a small enough roster then drop and get the kid more time on the field.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Hypothetical and asking for a friend.

        Kid is 15-22 on ECNL roster. Stay? Drop to NPL team? Leave for greener (smaller) pastures?
        Love a good "hypothetical" or "asking for a friend" post.

        1) If it's realllllly a hypothetical, why is this thought going through your mind? Why are you wasting time posting a hypothetical here?

        2) If you are asking because this applies to your kid specifically, how in the world is this message board going to give you any tangible feedback when they don't know the team? Age group? Club? Current coach? Prior coaches? Prior clubs? Etc x 10? Have a conversation with your kids coach, or better yet have your kid advocate for themselves and encourage them to have a conversation with the coach.

        Great use of time posting a hypothetical here.

        -you only think you know...

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          #5
          You’re a special kind of twat aren’t you.

          Hypothetical/friend was a joke.

          The question is very straightforward. There are two ECNL clubs in the state. If a child rides the pine at one of these ECNL teams, is it worth sticking it out? How hard is that? The first person answered it. You answered it like some freshman dope who just took his first philosophy course and tried to impress his friends over Christmas break.

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            #6
            my kid was in that spot and in retrospect she should have never done it. It became a demoralized slog for her and as parents we let it go on far too long. She should have stayed a big fish in a little pond in retrospect, a lot of the fun went out of the sport for her by moving up.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              You’re a special kind of twat aren’t you.

              Hypothetical/friend was a joke.

              The question is very straightforward. There are two ECNL clubs in the state. If a child rides the pine at one of these ECNL teams, is it worth sticking it out? How hard is that? The first person answered it. You answered it like some freshman dope who just took his first philosophy course and tried to impress his friends over Christmas break.
              Please check point #2 out then. If you're willing to take advice from random people on a message board, you are a special kind of <insert whatever you need to here> aren't you?

              I'm sorry that you can't take the only tangible advice you'll find on here.

              -you only think you know...

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                my kid was in that spot and in retrospect she should have never done it. It became a demoralized slog for her and as parents we let it go on far too long. She should have stayed a big fish in a little pond in retrospect, a lot of the fun went out of the sport for her by moving up.
                Very important to consider. If your kid is unhappy then the quality of the training or league isn't worth it. Some can slog it out but most will be demoralized. They also can panic when they do play, afraid they'll make mistakes and not get more PT. Then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Very important to consider. If your kid is unhappy then the quality of the training or league isn't worth it. Some can slog it out but most will be demoralized. They also can panic when they do play, afraid they'll make mistakes and not get more PT. Then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy
                  There is just no way you should let your kid languish at a club where they don't care about you or the kid (i.e. OW). Even the top kids at these 'elite' clubs flame out, get hurt, etc... this soccer focus with marginal clubs with egomaniac coaches is a huge waste. Kid who use to play on my kid's team at a bug three, dragged from club to club, isn't even going to play in college. Pretty sad stuff

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    There is just no way you should let your kid languish at a club where they don't care about you or the kid (i.e. OW). Even the top kids at these 'elite' clubs flame out, get hurt, etc... this soccer focus with marginal clubs with egomaniac coaches is a huge waste. Kid who use to play on my kid's team at a bug three, dragged from club to club, isn't even going to play in college. Pretty sad stuff
                    Not that uncommon a story. Don't know why people get so wrapped up in the soccer at their kids expense. College soccer is not even the most desirable end game for many if these players...even very strong players. There are plenty playing now that will not continue in college. That is fine. No one says it because it seems like heresy for some reason.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Very important to consider. If your kid is unhappy then the quality of the training or league isn't worth it. Some can slog it out but most will be demoralized. They also can panic when they do play, afraid they'll make mistakes and not get more PT. Then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy
                      My kid is on an ECNL team. Coaches for the past few years have been upfront about playing time - basically that some portion of kids will play all the time, some portion will share minutes, and some will play very little. That's league games. For showcases, everyone plays. It's totally transparent. Which is great in terms of communication. But as it plays out, players 15-22 have a really tough go of it as the season progresses.

                      I've seen it firsthand where really good players ended up never seeing time, regressed in their game, lost confidence, etc. It was brutal to watch and I wasn't even the kid's parent. If you don't know your kid is going to play meaningful minutes over the season, get to a team where the kid plays. No matter what anyone will say on here, you can't get better if you're not playing. Plus, you're paying $$, you're spending your and your kid's time running all over to games and practices. If you both aren't enjoying the journey, what is the point?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        My kid is on an ECNL team. Coaches for the past few years have been upfront about playing time - basically that some portion of kids will play all the time, some portion will share minutes, and some will play very little. That's league games. For showcases, everyone plays. It's totally transparent. Which is great in terms of communication. But as it plays out, players 15-22 have a really tough go of it as the season progresses.

                        I've seen it firsthand where really good players ended up never seeing time, regressed in their game, lost confidence, etc. It was brutal to watch and I wasn't even the kid's parent. If you don't know your kid is going to play meaningful minutes over the season, get to a team where the kid plays. No matter what anyone will say on here, you can't get better if you're not playing. Plus, you're paying $$, you're spending your and your kid's time running all over to games and practices. If you both aren't enjoying the journey, what is the point?
                        Yes, this is the inherent problem. The same parent that pushed the kid to succeed is the same parent that can't recognize when it's time to move on. American decisions by American parents in a sport they don't understand.

                        -you only think you know...

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                          #13
                          The real question is, what does your daughter actually want? Does she have dreams of playing mid to top D1, if yes then should work hard to move up the ladder and continue with ECNL. ECNL showcases attract the best coaches in the country consistently.

                          If your daughter isn't set on playing top level soccer, then not so sure it is worth it. Not to say she couldn't play top level and come from NPL or lower state premier, just has a greater chance of being seen by top coaches at the ECNL level.

                          Have to sit with you daughter and ask her, keep it soccer related, future thoughts, by HS they should have an idea if they want to play in college or not. If their heart isn't in it at least at the moment, maybe dropping down, playing more could change that or it could reassure the fact that soccer might not be in her future.

                          Would also recommend her to talk with her coach to find out what she can do better to play more. Showing some initiative when you are at the bottom shows the coach you are interested. Everybody can see your body language when you make a mistake. As parents we always are biased towards our own.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Hypothetical and asking for a friend.

                            Kid is 15-22 on ECNL roster. Stay? Drop to NPL team? Leave for greener (smaller) pastures?
                            Do you think she has more potential than her coach thinks? If so, try to move laterally to another strong team .... you will find out if you can find and workout with 2 of those types of teams, where she actually stands. If she really can't cut the mustard of a top league A team, then forget the NPL garbage .... those teams are fund raisers for the top teams ... find the top team at a smaller club and enjoy the ride ... it ends quickly and you (and your daughter) might find it refreshing to not be an afterthought and perhaps she will become a key player there ... you will also probably save a ton of money.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Yes, this is the inherent problem. The same parent that pushed the kid to succeed is the same parent that can't recognize when it's time to move on. American decisions by American parents in a sport they don't understand.

                              -you only think you know...
                              Imposter again...I really wish this person would get his/her own stuff. Trying to be someone else on an anonymous message board is really weird.

                              -you only think you know...

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