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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Yes under the assumption/leap of faith that grades and scores would be good enough to get through admissions. It had turned into an arms race. Coaches were afraid they'd lose talent. Word gets out about younger commits and then parents worry their kid will be left out. So then they push younger too.
    Limited money for girls if you waited until junior year, at least for 2020 class.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Limited money for girls if you waited until junior year, at least for 2020 class.
      Really? Doesn’t seem like case if you look at TDS.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Really? Doesn’t seem like case if you look at TDS.
        That's only commitments, not dollars. It will take a little time for the system to wash through. Plenty of 2020 kids were already talking with coaches before the change and others already committed

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          That's only commitments, not dollars. It will take a little time for the system to wash through. Plenty of 2020 kids were already talking with coaches before the change and others already committed
          Correct. Most 2020 girls spots are already taken at this point. Schools have 6-7 already committed. This spring will be for spots for 2021.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Limited money for girls if you waited until junior year, at least for 2020 class.
            I know a few who are class of 2019 and were recruited last March/April and did receive a spot and with a little money (20-25%) so there are some spots open for 2020s right now but it’s limited and it’s only going to open for the next few months. The majority of 2020a began recruitment last spring.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Correct. Most 2020 girls spots are already taken at this point. Schools have 6-7 already committed. This spring will be for spots for 2021.
              But aren’t the 2021s the first grad class to really be impacted by the rules? 2020s were Sophomores last spring as the rules went into effect. But 2021s were 9th/8th graders. Very few verballed.

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                #37
                Does that mean that you had to go look at schools between 9th and 10th grade? I am not looking forward to this process at all - I think it’s absurd for 10th graders to be committing to a college.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Does that mean that you had to go look at schools between 9th and 10th grade? I am not looking forward to this process at all - I think it’s absurd for 10th graders to be committing to a college.
                  For D1 and top D2, yes. Everything else can wait a little, but the fact is that most of those D1 roster spots are verbally committed before the new junior year date, and the rest will be solidified as soon as the coaches can pick up the phone or send that email direct to the players on Sept 1st of their junior year.... so yes, you need to be well into the process of looking at schools, doing ID camps, and inviting coaches to showcases by freshman and sophomore year.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    For D1 and top D2, yes. Everything else can wait a little, but the fact is that most of those D1 roster spots are verbally committed before the new junior year date, and the rest will be solidified as soon as the coaches can pick up the phone or send that email direct to the players on Sept 1st of their junior year.... so yes, you need to be well into the process of looking at schools, doing ID camps, and inviting coaches to showcases by freshman and sophomore year.
                    This has been our experience with 2021. A few already committed, most communicating with college coaches via club coach, player initiated calls, and unofficial visits. Expect that spring season to be very busy and the summer camps to be final process

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      For D1 and top D2, yes. Everything else can wait a little, but the fact is that most of those D1 roster spots are verbally committed before the new junior year date, and the rest will be solidified as soon as the coaches can pick up the phone or send that email direct to the players on Sept 1st of their junior year.... so yes, you need to be well into the process of looking at schools, doing ID camps, and inviting coaches to showcases by freshman and sophomore year.
                      So in other words not much has really changed with the timing, just the process.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        So in other words not much has really changed with the timing, just the process.
                        Correct.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          This has been our experience with 2021. A few already committed, most communicating with college coaches via club coach, player initiated calls, and unofficial visits. Expect that spring season to be very busy and the summer camps to be final process
                          Yes this is all exactly what needs to happen for top players/recruits.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Does that mean that you had to go look at schools between 9th and 10th grade? I am not looking forward to this process at all - I think it’s absurd for 10th graders to be committing to a college.
                            Then don't participate. It's your choice, and there are ramifications. If your kid is a top 50 player in the US, you'll have plenty of very good options out into her Junior year. If she's a top 50 player in New England, she'll have many regional choices into her junior year, although the scholarship $'s might be more scarce.

                            Depending on her talent/skill, your timetable for having the broadest range of opportunities will vary. So, 3 things to wrap your arms around before starting high school:

                            1) How good is your kid, really? Not, how good is she against a crappy team, or how good do you think she could become if she got a step faster, worked harder, or switched teams. You need a real assessment of what she is now, what she'll be during peak recruiting years, and what she is likely to be at age 18. (i.e., don't get the appraisal from someone trying to sell you something)

                            2) Understand her relative academic strength. What's the balance between academics and soccer in her life now, and what might it be at age 18? You need to get some sense if she is an Ivy/Georgetown/Duke/Northwestern student-athlete, NESCAC, Patriot League, Atlantic10, etc. There are good soccer options for all kinds of students, but you need to have a realistic sense as to what you're dealing with.

                            3) Get a general sense as to what college environment will work best for your kid. That doesn't mean dozens of campus visits as an 8th grader. Just get a feel for urban vs. suburban, massive vs. mid-size vs. small, nearby vs. other side of the country, etc. It will help narrow the list a bit.

                            If you are realistic in these 3 questions, your list of potential options should be reasonable and easier to navigate when the time comes.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Then don't participate. It's your choice, and there are ramifications. If your kid is a top 50 player in the US, you'll have plenty of very good options out into her Junior year. If she's a top 50 player in New England, she'll have many regional choices into her junior year, although the scholarship $'s might be more scarce.

                              Depending on her talent/skill, your timetable for having the broadest range of opportunities will vary. So, 3 things to wrap your arms around before starting high school:

                              1) How good is your kid, really? Not, how good is she against a crappy team, or how good do you think she could become if she got a step faster, worked harder, or switched teams. You need a real assessment of what she is now, what she'll be during peak recruiting years, and what she is likely to be at age 18. (i.e., don't get the appraisal from someone trying to sell you something)

                              2) Understand her relative academic strength. What's the balance between academics and soccer in her life now, and what might it be at age 18? You need to get some sense if she is an Ivy/Georgetown/Duke/Northwestern student-athlete, NESCAC, Patriot League, Atlantic10, etc. There are good soccer options for all kinds of students, but you need to have a realistic sense as to what you're dealing with.

                              3) Get a general sense as to what college environment will work best for your kid. That doesn't mean dozens of campus visits as an 8th grader. Just get a feel for urban vs. suburban, massive vs. mid-size vs. small, nearby vs. other side of the country, etc. It will help narrow the list a bit.

                              If you are realistic in these 3 questions, your list of potential options should be reasonable and easier to navigate when the time comes.
                              Good info. Do clubs generally have staff to walk families through the process or is it all trial and error. Would you trust a club coaches appraisal of your kids skills and best college fit? Not sure how entrenched the clubs are with schools, clearly a newbie

                              8th grade d, hadn't considered any of these things because it seemed far away

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Then don't participate. It's your choice, and there are ramifications. If your kid is a top 50 player in the US, you'll have plenty of very good options out into her Junior year. If she's a top 50 player in New England, she'll have many regional choices into her junior year, although the scholarship $'s might be more scarce.

                                Depending on her talent/skill, your timetable for having the broadest range of opportunities will vary. So, 3 things to wrap your arms around before starting high school:

                                1) How good is your kid, really? Not, how good is she against a crappy team, or how good do you think she could become if she got a step faster, worked harder, or switched teams. You need a real assessment of what she is now, what she'll be during peak recruiting years, and what she is likely to be at age 18. (i.e., don't get the appraisal from someone trying to sell you something)

                                2) Understand her relative academic strength. What's the balance between academics and soccer in her life now, and what might it be at age 18? You need to get some sense if she is an Ivy/Georgetown/Duke/Northwestern student-athlete, NESCAC, Patriot League, Atlantic10, etc. There are good soccer options for all kinds of students, but you need to have a realistic sense as to what you're dealing with.

                                3) Get a general sense as to what college environment will work best for your kid. That doesn't mean dozens of campus visits as an 8th grader. Just get a feel for urban vs. suburban, massive vs. mid-size vs. small, nearby vs. other side of the country, etc. It will help narrow the list a bit.

                                If you are realistic in these 3 questions, your list of potential options should be reasonable and easier to navigate when the time comes.
                                This post shows zero understanding of the timeline but generally is right on target with having to know exactly how good your kid is. Forget what is written here about how much has changed with recruiting. Nothing really has changed. If your kid is a top 50 talent in the country they always had opportunities for as long as they wanted and still do. That level talent is in the drivers seat. Always will be. Now if you think being a top level talent and having to pick a full ride from a mid to bottom tier D1 program because you waited to long to react is a win then you'll certainly end up happy. Most people aren't looking to do that. The problem becomes when you try to match that level talent up with an appropriate level program which for them is a perennial top 10 program. Those level programs do move on pretty quickly and so those offers aren't likely to sitting around in a kid's sophomore year, never mind their junior year. You snooze and you lose.

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