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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIf you choose a school solely based on soccer you are an idiot.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostHow is educational reputation being a top consideration a "problem?" This is for college, an educational environment, right? Unless you are a trust fund kid/family, any parent should help his/her child get into the right environment to succeed in school, on the field and socially. It doesn't always happen the first time around so kids need to transfer.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostReally? Would you take a job based upon the food from a food truck outside the building? You are using your idea of what an apple is to make a decision about oranges. D1 is an all consuming job. Your kid ends up eating, sleeping and breathing it. If you refuse to accept that fact you take the very real risk of setting your kid up for all manner of unpleasantness. If you don't want your kid to prioritize the scholarship, that's your prerogative but don't for one moment think that there aren't consequences to that decision. Getting their money cut may actually be the least of them. It all still comes back to a targeting failure. Stop trying to make it as though everyone's kid ends up failing if they go D1. That usually only happens when you reach.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI suspect you must be a club coach by the way you react to any suggestion that scholarships can be reduced. It ruins your marketing. There are countless sources, including the NCAA’s own data, that shows that large soccer scholarships that cover most if not all the costs of college are very rare and that scholarship amounts granted can and do change over time (outside of Power 5 schools, which while they guarantee 4 year scholarships also don’t necessarily offer large scholarships on average). This is one reason why there are so many transfer student-athletes as they move around from college to college looking for a better deal when their scholarship or aid gets reduced. And yes while player performance is a factor, a lot of this are the whims of the coach. Even if they are good performers, the coach gambles that players are too comfortable to leave their college if they reduce their scholarship so they can free up money for the latest recruits. And they need to do that because as a non-revenue sport, the majority of programs cannot fully fund their scholarships. I know this because my D plays D1 and I have relatives who work for colleges, including athletic departments. Seen it firsthand.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostNo, it's a work environment where you go to school part time. The job is the first priority. If that is not your cup of tea, that's fine but that's the reality of the situation. Don't go chasing scholarships if that's not what you want for your kid. Trying to use soccer to leverage into reach academic school can really backfire unless the soccer program is more like a safety school for your kid. Just the reality of the situation.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWell why take a job if the salary sucks? If the "salary" is free college classes that the "employee" can not actually attend or benefit from, that is a crappy salary.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostReally? Would you take a job based upon the food from a food truck outside the building? You are using your idea of what an apple is to make a decision about oranges. D1 is an all consuming job. Your kid ends up eating, sleeping and breathing it. If you refuse to accept that fact you take the very real risk of setting your kid up for all manner of unpleasantness. If you don't want your kid to prioritize the scholarship, that's your prerogative but don't for one moment think that there aren't consequences to that decision. Getting their money cut may actually be the least of them. It all still comes back to a targeting failure. Stop trying to make it as though everyone's kid ends up failing if they go D1. That usually only happens when you reach.
While a kid is eating, sleeping and breathing it do they also go to school?
When they’re done eating, sleeping and breathing it don’t 99% of those kids need to get a job?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThis is good information. Okay, so which positions on the field get the most $$? Is there data on that?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostSee, this is an idiot.
While a kid is eating, sleeping and breathing it do they also go to school?
When they’re done eating, sleeping and breathing it don’t 99% of those kids need to get a job?
Is the D1 job grind that bad at mid to low D1s too or mostly just the top 50? Top 100? Mine is currently in the recruiting process and has at least interest from the whole spectrum. It’s hard to sift through it all when you’re 16, like almost every school and don’t really even know what you want to major in yet but are an excellent student. Honestly, she’s feeling a bit overwhelmed. One thing she does look at is the majors of the rostered players to get an idea what majors are doable while playing at that school. Any other advice?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostSee, this is an idiot.
While a kid is eating, sleeping and breathing it do they also go to school?
When they’re done eating, sleeping and breathing it don’t 99% of those kids need to get a job?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIs there any data on D1 athlete employment rates and average starting earnings/10yr earnings like they have for individual colleges’ grads as a whole? Do D1 athletes really have to major in basket weaving because they have no time due to their sports “job”?
Is the D1 job grind that bad at mid to low D1s too or mostly just the top 50? Top 100? Mine is currently in the recruiting process and has at least interest from the whole spectrum. It’s hard to sift through it all when you’re 16, like almost every school and don’t really even know what you want to major in yet but are an excellent student. Honestly, she’s feeling a bit overwhelmed. One thing she does look at is the majors of the rostered players to get an idea what majors are doable while playing at that school. Any other advice?
As for selecting majors, frankly I think athletes are as diverse and clueless as any other student. Some are smart and know what they want, buy many aren’t. My D is an engineering major and has a good job offer, but I’m certain that more than half her team are in some “ology” major that won’t pay well. It hasn’t been easy being in a demanding major and playing soccer, but she made it work. It took some creativity and sacrifice and there were some tearful phone calls home early on where she wasn’t sure it would work out. My best advice is to decide majors early on and have your D sit down with her academic advisor and plot out which courses she needs to do and which semesters she needs to take them while working around her soccer schedule. And be upfront with the coach about it so they can work with you.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIs there any data on D1 athlete employment rates and average starting earnings/10yr earnings like they have for individual colleges’ grads as a whole? Do D1 athletes really have to major in basket weaving because they have no time due to their sports “job”?
Is the D1 job grind that bad at mid to low D1s too or mostly just the top 50? Top 100? Mine is currently in the recruiting process and has at least interest from the whole spectrum. It’s hard to sift through it all when you’re 16, like almost every school and don’t really even know what you want to major in yet but are an excellent student. Honestly, she’s feeling a bit overwhelmed. One thing she does look at is the majors of the rostered players to get an idea what majors are doable while playing at that school. Any other advice?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostMy D plays in D1 so first it isn’t like a “job”. You don’t start at 8am and finish at 6pm like someone with a real job. You aren’t doing soccer 40+ hours a week like a full-time job. You do however spend a lot of time on it and that can impact your study time. Based on what my D tells me, 20-25 hrs a week in season and 10-15 hrs a week in the off-season with a lot of that time conditioning (which a lot of students do even if they weren’t playing a sport). You have a responsibility to the team, but it’s really no different than the responsibilities that students have to their schoolwork or other extracurricular activities. If you show up and perform well on the soccer field and you are keeping your grades up, that is all that is expected of you. Just like everything in life, there is always some politics and drama, but if you keep your head down and focus on what you need to do, your school experience can be as normal as any other student.
As for selecting majors, frankly I think athletes are as diverse and clueless as any other student. Some are smart and know what they want, buy many aren’t. My D is an engineering major and has a good job offer, but I’m certain that more than half her team are in some “ology” major that won’t pay well. It hasn’t been easy being in a demanding major and playing soccer, but she made it work. It took some creativity and sacrifice and there were some tearful phone calls home early on where she wasn’t sure it would work out. My best advice is to decide majors early on and have your D sit down with her academic advisor and plot out which courses she needs to do and which semesters she needs to take them while working around her soccer schedule. And be upfront with the coach about it so they can work with you.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostMy D plays in D1 so first it isn’t like a “job”. You don’t start at 8am and finish at 6pm like someone with a real job. You aren’t doing soccer 40+ hours a week like a full-time job. You do however spend a lot of time on it and that can impact your study time. Based on what my D tells me, 20-25 hrs a week in season and 10-15 hrs a week in the off-season with a lot of that time conditioning (which a lot of students do even if they weren’t playing a sport). You have a responsibility to the team, but it’s really no different than the responsibilities that students have to their schoolwork or other extracurricular activities. If you show up and perform well on the soccer field and you are keeping your grades up, that is all that is expected of you. Just like everything in life, there is always some politics and drama, but if you keep your head down and focus on what you need to do, your school experience can be as normal as any other student.
As for selecting majors, frankly I think athletes are as diverse and clueless as any other student. Some are smart and know what they want, buy many aren’t. My D is an engineering major and has a good job offer, but I’m certain that more than half her team are in some “ology” major that won’t pay well. It hasn’t been easy being in a demanding major and playing soccer, but she made it work. It took some creativity and sacrifice and there were some tearful phone calls home early on where she wasn’t sure it would work out. My best advice is to decide majors early on and have your D sit down with her academic advisor and plot out which courses she needs to do and which semesters she needs to take them while working around her soccer schedule. And be upfront with the coach about it so they can work with you.
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