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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    GDA has been great for our DD. The competition in league games is as good as when our daughter played in ECNL showcases last year against top 20 youth soccer ranked teams for the girls 2005 age group and again in HI at USYS U13 regionals. Fierce. GDA teams in the NW division are in general strong for the 2005 age. Maybe the 8th grade girls do not have to choose between playing school soccer and club soccer. CA Thorns, San Jose Quakes and Crossfire Premier duke it out at the top of the NW division. Close second, if you watched the games which we can see all of them in a GDA streaming service, Portland Thorns and Utah’s La Roca are a battle, they are next level down, but not a distant level down per game footage. Placer and Reign are third tier down, look more like ECNL Seattle United or Crossfire United in OR Or USYS Snohomish and WA Timbers on a solid day. The only team in NW GDA division that is fourth tier down is LaMorinda from the Bay Area. I think GDA should add U13 (2007 next year, 7th graders) and then they will have the corner on top talent for U13 and U14 age groups. After U14 I agree with other posters, things get diluted.... some girls will leave GDA to play high school. What I really think USSF should do is scrap GDA, then ensure the health of boys DA with some changes there (that’s for another post) and recruit top girls players to boys DA teams. Simple. They recruit from ECNL and offer to the best ECNL girls a spot on a local boys DA team. You get maybe 100 or so girls in the nation truly exceptional and willing to skip HS soccer, with plans to try to make the Girls national team if they can, and boom. Simple. The fastest women in the world are faster than 95%+ of all men, the top 100 or so girls (the very best) can develop alongside the top 5,000 very good boys. Pele is quoted in Mia Hamm’s book that “he would not have liked to have met her on the field”. For super talented ECNL Girls that do not live close enough to a boys DA team, they could still be invited to a girls national team camp, but the odds go down on their development without being able to seize the opportunity to play alongside talented boys.
    I have never heard some much rubbish in all
    My life . This is the problem with American soccer . People like you get to have an opinion . Do yourself a favor and stick to a sport you may have a little better grasp on .

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      What I really think USSF should do is scrap GDA, then ensure the health of boys DA with some changes there (that’s for another post) and recruit top girls players to boys DA teams. Simple. They recruit from ECNL and offer to the best ECNL girls a spot on a local boys DA team. You get maybe 100 or so girls in the nation truly exceptional and willing to skip HS soccer, with plans to try to make the Girls national team if they can, and boom. Simple. The fastest women in the world are faster than 95%+ of all men, the top 100 or so girls (the very best) can develop alongside the top 5,000 very good boys. Pele is quoted in Mia Hamm’s book that “he would not have liked to have met her on the field”. For super talented ECNL Girls that do not live close enough to a boys DA team, they could still be invited to a girls national team camp, but the odds go down on their development without being able to seize the opportunity to play alongside talented boys.
      Have you watched a top-level boys U-16 team play a women's college team? They crush them. And my 8th grade boy would have made the finals in the HS Girls 200 or 400 meter this past spring, so don't tell me that the fastest women are faster than 95% of men.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        GDA has been great for our DD. The competition in league games is as good as when our daughter played in ECNL showcases last year against top 20 youth soccer ranked teams for the girls 2005 age group and again in HI at USYS U13 regionals. Fierce. GDA teams in the NW division are in general strong for the 2005 age. Maybe the 8th grade girls do not have to choose between playing school soccer and club soccer. CA Thorns, San Jose Quakes and Crossfire Premier duke it out at the top of the NW division. Close second, if you watched the games which we can see all of them in a GDA streaming service, Portland Thorns and Utah’s La Roca are a battle, they are next level down, but not a distant level down per game footage. Placer and Reign are third tier down, look more like ECNL Seattle United or Crossfire United in OR Or USYS Snohomish and WA Timbers on a solid day. The only team in NW GDA division that is fourth tier down is LaMorinda from the Bay Area. I think GDA should add U13 (2007 next year, 7th graders) and then they will have the corner on top talent for U13 and U14 age groups. After U14 I agree with other posters, things get diluted.... some girls will leave GDA to play high school. What I really think USSF should do is scrap GDA, then ensure the health of boys DA with some changes there (that’s for another post) and recruit top girls players to boys DA teams. Simple. They recruit from ECNL and offer to the best ECNL girls a spot on a local boys DA team. You get maybe 100 or so girls in the nation truly exceptional and willing to skip HS soccer, with plans to try to make the Girls national team if they can, and boom. Simple. The fastest women in the world are faster than 95%+ of all men, the top 100 or so girls (the very best) can develop alongside the top 5,000 very good boys. Pele is quoted in Mia Hamm’s book that “he would not have liked to have met her on the field”. For super talented ECNL Girls that do not live close enough to a boys DA team, they could still be invited to a girls national team camp, but the odds go down on their development without being able to seize the opportunity to play alongside talented boys.
        You left out some stuff, Crossfire G05 dad.
        1. Roster size: 23 girls. 5 can't suit up or travel for games.
        15-18 will be lucky if they get some scraps. Check out the minutes.
        2. At least 10 travel trip$, not including couple international trip$$$$$.
        3. Reality of puberty, be it cruel or kind, will be obvious by U15,
        which probably half of your team will cruel or kind.
        4. 4 practices, Toca, weekend scrimmages, and some girls do futsal/Coerver.
        5-7 days of soccer. For 13. year. old. girls. Meaning dad has 5-7 days of soccer.

        5. Key point: If #4 + high GPA + AP/Honors + High test scores = Stud.
        If #4 + average GPA + typical classes + average test scores = Crap shot.
        If #4 + low GPA + low classes + low test scores = Welcome to $15 hr.

        If your DD isn't a top student, taking hard classes, and getting high test scores,
        what is the point of this all? If your dd tears both ACL/MCL and breaks both
        ankles, can she make it to the school of her dreams without soccer?

        One point you are correct: From the grumblings I am hearing, lots of
        girls are leaving GDA.

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          #34
          How could any parent be that dumb ? Spending a fortune on middle class kids to get a sporting scholarship 😂 you couldn’t make up how stupid that is . They will most likely end up in college anyway . Just send the kids to a select team enjoy soccer for what it is and save that god damn money and pay for her to go to whatever college she wishes ? Why make it so difficult ?

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            How could any parent be that dumb ? Spending a fortune on middle class kids to get a sporting scholarship 😂 you couldn’t make up how stupid that is . They will most likely end up in college anyway . Just send the kids to a select team enjoy soccer for what it is and save that god damn money and pay for her to go to whatever college she wishes ? Why make it so difficult ?
            Dumb?

            Last year's Crossfire U18/U19 team had 2 players going to Harvard and 1 to Columbia.

            The team from 2 years prior had Stanford, Harvard, North Carolina, and USC.

            I think being good soccer players maybe helped a little with admissions.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Dumb?

              Last year's Crossfire U18/U19 team had 2 players going to Harvard and 1 to Columbia.

              The team from 2 years prior had Stanford, Harvard, North Carolina, and USC.

              I think being good soccer players maybe helped a little with admissions.
              Might help with admissions but might not help very much with COA, unless you go to Ivies like Stanford and Harvard and qualify for need-based grants.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Might help with admissions but might not help very much with COA, unless you go to Ivies like Stanford and Harvard and qualify for need-based grants.
                Stanford is not in the Ivy League and does have athletic scholarship.

                The bar to qualify for need-based grant for the Ivy League schools are actually quite high due to the multi billion dollar endowments at these schools.

                You will get some help unless you are filthy rich in which case those parents really don't care about the cost of travel soccer.

                The obvious is you need to have strong academics. My point is soccer can help.

                You shouldn't do soccer if your only reason is to get a lower college cost of attendance. There are lots of other benefits to females participating in competitive sports. Title 9 is just some additional gravy added, but should not be the only reason. It takes a lot of time and money... if you just need the money for college then there are probably better avenues to pursue.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Dumb?

                  Last year's Crossfire U18/U19 team had 2 players going to Harvard and 1 to Columbia.

                  The team from 2 years prior had Stanford, Harvard, North Carolina, and USC.

                  I think being good soccer players maybe helped a little with admissions.
                  So that was a full ride scholarship ? If you are wealthy enough to pay the crossfire fees you are obviously from a upper middle class family anyway . Was going to be Harvard anyway right ? Also out of how many kids is this ? A few hundred ? Come on stop pulling the wool over peoples eyes .

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Dumb?

                    Last year's Crossfire U18/U19 team had 2 players going to Harvard and 1 to Columbia.

                    The team from 2 years prior had Stanford, Harvard, North Carolina, and USC.

                    I think being good soccer players maybe helped a little with admissions.
                    Those U18/19 girls all went to private schools in Seattle. 1 was a YNT player,
                    the other two were valedictorians or close to and solid players, but nowhere close
                    to YNT level. Don't throw out red herrings. Ivy is the fricking tippy top
                    of DI schools. 8 girls a year per school. This is not the norm.

                    Soccer was helpful, but grades and test scores are key. At least 3.8+ GPA unweighted
                    taking AP/Honors, ACT 32+, SAT 1400+ and 2 SAT subject matters 700+
                    Is your dd at this level both in school and soccer?

                    Think of how money and time you have to put into your dd to be at
                    this academic level in addition to club soccer. This is not the norm
                    for most people. Lots of parents have this little fantasy that
                    smarts and athletic ability just happens. No, it is Kumon, private tutors,
                    testing centers, private lessons, camps and your time and money.

                    Heard a good story about a fool and money. But hey, who cares?
                    If your dd has those kind of grades and test scores, most colleges
                    are open to them. Come on, pac-12 D1 schools like WSU or UW?
                    Please.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Stanford is not in the Ivy League and does have athletic scholarship.

                      The bar to qualify for need-based grant for the Ivy League schools are actually quite high due to the multi billion dollar endowments at these schools.

                      You will get some help unless you are filthy rich in which case those parents really don't care about the cost of travel soccer.

                      The obvious is you need to have strong academics. My point is soccer can help.

                      You shouldn't do soccer if your only reason is to get a lower college cost of attendance. There are lots of other benefits to females participating in competitive sports. Title 9 is just some additional gravy added, but should not be the only reason. It takes a lot of time and money... if you just need the money for college then there are probably better avenues to pursue.
                      Ok, I get it. You got some money to burn.
                      The game is rigged for rich, mostly white kids for top academic schools, D1 and D3.
                      Gotta play or pay if you wanna win. Soccer can help if you are recruited
                      player with full coach's support and hopefully get a LL from admissions.
                      So, that means a student most likely comes a very expensive private school,
                      with top grades and test scores, and plays high level travel soccer.
                      Check out the rosters of which hs these girls came from.
                      Not Littletown HS, nowhere USA.

                      The cautionary tale for parents of more modest means is to be aware of
                      parents with much more discretionary income who can afford private
                      schools and soccer. The environment is skewed and unrealistic.
                      Dropping $10K for soccer is nothing for some parents, while it
                      could mean a year's tuition at some schools.

                      Unfortunately, there are some parents who could better save
                      the money for college, rather than soccer. Not saying that their
                      kid isn't talented enough, but the odds of scholarship and affordability
                      are in question.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Those U18/19 girls all went to private schools in Seattle. 1 was a YNT player,
                        the other two were valedictorians or close to and solid players, but nowhere close
                        to YNT level. Don't throw out red herrings. Ivy is the fricking tippy top
                        of DI schools. 8 girls a year per school. This is not the norm.

                        Soccer was helpful, but grades and test scores are key. At least 3.8+ GPA unweighted
                        taking AP/Honors, ACT 32+, SAT 1400+ and 2 SAT subject matters 700+
                        Is your dd at this level both in school and soccer?

                        Think of how money and time you have to put into your dd to be at
                        this academic level in addition to club soccer. This is not the norm
                        for most people. Lots of parents have this little fantasy that
                        smarts and athletic ability just happens. No, it is Kumon, private tutors,
                        testing centers, private lessons, camps and your time and money.

                        Heard a good story about a fool and money. But hey, who cares?
                        If your dd has those kind of grades and test scores, most colleges
                        are open to them. Come on, pac-12 D1 schools like WSU or UW?
                        Please.
                        Who said anything about YNT level?

                        Not sure what the debate is about. I agree with you. It takes a lot of time and money to be good at both soccer and school.

                        Plenty of kids with below credential, but still do not get into a Harvard or Stanford. The soccer helps.

                        "At least 3.8+ GPA unweighted
                        taking AP/Honors, ACT 32+, SAT 1400+ and 2 SAT subject matters 700+"

                        You don't necessarily need the Kumon, private tutors, etc... to do well in school. My dd is at that level academically. On the girl's side, most of the top soccer players are typically top students as well. It sort of goes hand in hand. Did one contribute to the other??

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                          #42
                          SU ECNL 03 Going Strong

                          Seattle United's ECNL 03 team isn't struggling. It's a new team, but came out of the Florida Showcase last month 2-1 with two players recognized on Top Drawer Soccer as tops at the event. Girls were coming out of the high school season having practiced very little together; only their third tournament since creation of the team last spring.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Seattle United's ECNL 03 team isn't struggling. It's a new team, but came out of the Florida Showcase last month 2-1 with two players recognized on Top Drawer Soccer as tops at the event. Girls were coming out of the high school season having practiced very little together; only their third tournament since creation of the team last spring.
                            😂 what does that even mean ? Some rich kids got to go on a jolly to Florida and now they are being showboated as the next big thing ? 😂 seriously!! parents are so blinded by this garbage .

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                              #44
                              WA ECNL is the new RCL 1.

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                                #45
                                There was a post earlier about the elite top girl athletes in the nation being able to compete on an top boys soccer team. This scenario presumes the elite girl athlete has trained for soccer as their focus sport and is technically sound, so I am just addressing an athleticism comparison right now. While I do not believe a “team” of top girls could compete with a like minded boys team, most definitely individual girls can. A team of girls would have far too much variation on athleticism and the overall girls athletic average would be below a boys team’s athletic sum total average. A few facts though to consider: the average fast, not top finishers track and field in State, but a talented athletic boy can run a 100m in the high 11s to the low 12s. An elite girl can run from mid 11s to low 12s. Seems pretty even to me, maybe not with the fastest elite speed boys on a boys soccer team (who could hit high 10s), but pretty even with the majority of the boys and likely faster than some boys on the team. Factor in that boys have a more delayed transition to hitting their top speed and physicality, whereas girls typically achieve full maturity earlier than boys, a girl may start running her top speed by 15-16 years old and a boy it takes until later, closer to 17+. So YES to the Dad that posted a top girls team could not beat a top boys team, but that was not the point of the original post. During the development years of middle school thru majority of high school, an elite girl soccer player could successfully contribute, maybe even be a major contributor, to the collection of good boy athletes on a top boys soccer team. But don’t just take my word for it. You could check with Mirelle, Head of US National team scouting who grew up playing with boys in the Netherlands or Miriam Hickey head of US Girls Dec Academy who also played with boys growing up or oh wait Ada Hegerberg, winner of the first female Balon D’or 2018 who played and captained many years with a boys team in Norway, and while it was not an academy team, she continued to train with semi-professional boys, even when training with elite girls in Germany. And then there is Abby Wambach’s story training with boys. I could go on, there are Many other examples of elite girls playing with top boys during their development years. They do so because they can and it is in the best interests of their development. Simple.

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