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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Its still the DA...not local club fare.

    That sells it free or CU/FC pricing.
    Boys DA vs OYSA

    Boys DA vs US Club's league offering

    Girls DA vs OYSA

    Girls DA vs US Clubs league offering

    In Oregon the DA gets top billing, like the rest on the US.


    Ambitious clubs across the great country all dream of being DA programs. That flame or spark is extinguished in Oregon by the MLS & NWSL monopoly on this US Soccer Platform.

    Local clubs here don't have the infrastructure or cache to even be in the conversation of becoming full fledged DA programs. Instead the trip over themselves just to give a little 'DA' patch to 11 year old in their quest for any validation. It's hilarious.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Hardly. DA is here to stay and it will continue to be subsidized. They have been subsidizing the boys for years.
      The boy's DA is an MLS mandate (to have a "free" academy)

      The girl's DA is not a mandate by anyone and the subsidy can be taken away. Seattle Reign is not free and is actually more expensive then ECNL. Portland is subsidized because if it weren't subsidized then no one would play Thorn's Academy.

      There is a big difference between boy's and girl's DA.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        The boy's DA is an MLS mandate (to have a "free" academy)

        The girl's DA is not a mandate by anyone and the subsidy can be taken away. Seattle Reign is not free and is actually more expensive then ECNL. Portland is subsidized because if it weren't subsidized then no one would play Thorn's Academy.

        There is a big difference between boy's and girl's DA.
        Why don't our local clubs subsidize their teams? many elite clubs across the US cover the costs of players (especially those at the DA level).

        Obviously the best of the best in Seattle area (Reign DA) have no problem paying more since it's the best US Soccer platform for exceptional youth. Captain obvious. BTW, they play in the same DA as the Thorns. Also the same DA that refuses to choose any Oregon clubs for induction. Bummer.

        Boys DA is a decade old, girls DA is in year 1. Trending well the Girls DA are, thanks to the US Soccer model for boys.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          God someone at thorns academy is getting desperate. Yes, we all know Thorns academy is cheaper. We also all choose to spend our money making decisions based on value, not just cost. For some girls, ECNL is a better value. For some, OYSA teams are a better value.

          The fact that thorns honks have to come on here and even start a thread like this shows a sad and desperate lack of confidence in their own product. If it was as good as they say it is - that is, if it was as good of a VALUE as they say it is, they wouldn't need to come on here and recycle tired information we all already know. They would be confident that their product would sell itself.

          Word is players are leaving academy teams, and not just the roster filling bench warmers. There's a lot of sacrifice required for academy, and for some families, the value isn't there when you take into consideration what the player has to give up. Hence the recycled thread about costs. Sad.
          here, here.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Boys DA vs OYSA

            Boys DA vs US Club's league offering

            Girls DA vs OYSA

            Girls DA vs US Clubs league offering

            In Oregon the DA gets top billing, like the rest on the US.


            Ambitious clubs across the great country all dream of being DA programs. That flame or spark is extinguished in Oregon by the MLS & NWSL monopoly on this US Soccer Platform.

            Local clubs here don't have the infrastructure or cache to even be in the conversation of becoming full fledged DA programs. Instead the trip over themselves just to give a little 'DA' patch to 11 year old in their quest for any validation. It's hilarious.
            Girls DA is a complete waste of time and money for all involved. And Thornz Asylum is the worst of the lot.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Why don't our local clubs subsidize their teams? many elite clubs across the US cover the costs of players (especially those at the DA level).

              Obviously the best of the best in Seattle area (Reign DA) have no problem paying more since it's the best US Soccer platform for exceptional youth. Captain obvious. BTW, they play in the same DA as the Thorns. Also the same DA that refuses to choose any Oregon clubs for induction. Bummer.

              Boys DA is a decade old, girls DA is in year 1. Trending well the Girls DA are, thanks to the US Soccer model for boys.
              Show some proof that the Timbers are subsidizing the Thornz Asylum. Can't do it, can you?

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Show some proof that the Timbers are subsidizing the Thornz Asylum. Can't do it, can you?
                I don't care who pays for my daughter to play for the GDA, as long as no money comes out of my pocket.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  In the past three years ECNL has gotten 60+ girls into college. Thorns have gotten a couple.
                  But it’s cheaper.

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                    #39
                    I agree that the cost should not be the sole deciding factor but certainly it is part of the decision process. My greatest concern and it has rarely been mentioned, is that ECNL play will most certainly be diminished as almost all of the better national clubs have signed on with the GDA. XF for instance has very average B teams which will become the ECNL teams going forward. So they go from being a top club nationally to being somewhat of an also ran with regards to ECNL. There are very few clubs that can field two elite teams and they most likely won't be in the northwest division. Of course this may benefit Oregon ECNL teams as far as wins and losses but the level of competition will decrease dramatically and the visibility may decrease with it.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      In the past three years ECNL has gotten 60+ girls into college. Thorns have gotten a couple.
                      Across the country Clubs are putting B teams into GDA. Girls don’t want to give up the high school experience. Playing multiple sports prevents injuries.

                      California is prime example. Burlingame and PSV Union have collectively scored 13 goals and conceded 438.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Why don't our local clubs subsidize their teams? many elite clubs across the US cover the costs of players (especially those at the DA level).

                        Obviously the best of the best in Seattle area (Reign DA) have no problem paying more since it's the best US Soccer platform for exceptional youth. Captain obvious. BTW, they play in the same DA as the Thorns. Also the same DA that refuses to choose any Oregon clubs for induction. Bummer.

                        Boys DA is a decade old, girls DA is in year 1. Trending well the Girls DA are, thanks to the US Soccer model for boys.
                        It costs money and Oregon clubs can barely cover expenses as it is.

                        Captain Obvious? Not sure what that comment was directed to.

                        US Soccer has a partnership with NWSL. For sure the Thorns were going to have a DA team. Not sure if any other clubs in Oregon are interested. People complain about ECNL costs. The DA season is twice as long. Why would another Oregon club want to do DA. It is costing the Thorns quite a bit of money to do DA. They are subsidizing well over 50% of the cost for each DA team.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Across the country Clubs are putting B teams into GDA. Girls don’t want to give up the high school experience. Playing multiple sports prevents injuries.

                          California is prime example. Burlingame and PSV Union have collectively scored 13 goals and conceded 438.
                          That’s part of the fun. Playing bad teams and blowing them up.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Across the country Clubs are putting B teams into GDA. Girls don’t want to give up the high school experience. Playing multiple sports prevents injuries.

                            California is prime example. Burlingame and PSV Union have collectively scored 13 goals and conceded 438.
                            That is all you need to know what a ***** show this is. If US Soccer knew what they were doing then teams like this wouldn’t be allowed to be in. In fact, no Oregon team (Thorns, CU, or FP) shouldn’t be allowed because none of them meet the criteria that was established by US Soccer

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Why don't our local clubs subsidize their teams? many elite clubs across the US cover the costs of players (especially those at the DA level).

                              Obviously the best of the best in Seattle area (Reign DA) have no problem paying more since it's the best US Soccer platform for exceptional youth. Captain obvious. BTW, they play in the same DA as the Thorns. Also the same DA that refuses to choose any Oregon clubs for induction. Bummer.

                              Boys DA is a decade old, girls DA is in year 1. Trending well the Girls DA are, thanks to the US Soccer model for boys.
                              There aren't any local clubs that have the tradition of a Surf or similar; with huge endowments and the financial ability to subsidize anything. All of our local clubs are non-profits, none of which has the sort of money lying around to fund a youth academy of this sort.

                              Thorns/Peregrine are the exception to the rule--Peregrine has the money, obviously, and even if one assumes that the Thorns/NWSL are living on borrowed time, running a GDA program may be useful for other reasons.

                              Even if FC or CU or anyone else were to get a GDA program, it still would be pay-to-play, just as the "little DA" teams on the boys side are.

                              Now, if US Soccer were more serious about this--more money would come from THEM to subsidize elite youth soccer.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                There aren't any local clubs that have the tradition of a Surf or similar; with huge endowments and the financial ability to subsidize anything. All of our local clubs are non-profits, none of which has the sort of money lying around to fund a youth academy of this sort.

                                Thorns/Peregrine are the exception to the rule--Peregrine has the money, obviously, and even if one assumes that the Thorns/NWSL are living on borrowed time, running a GDA program may be useful for other reasons.

                                Even if FC or CU or anyone else were to get a GDA program, it still would be pay-to-play, just as the "little DA" teams on the boys side are.

                                Now, if US Soccer were more serious about this--more money would come from THEM to subsidize elite youth soccer.
                                Surf at this point is a giant franchise in a non-profit structure. It has allowed them to subsidize their top teams and they are doing what they need to do to survive, but not sure I would elevate them as a great model.

                                As for the last sentence nope - the money flows to US Soccer and SUM not the other way around, outside a few PR projects. Much like Timbers locally - money flows in the system to those who need it the least.

                                . . . no wonder why there is a part of the US Soccer community that wants to burn the house down. Trumpism for soccer I guess (without the racisms and sexism, one could hope).

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