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It is if you then are insistent on making the claim that academics are the family’s first priority. Clearly the kid has grades so why limit them just to Bowdoin when they might actually be able to get into a better school (than either Bowdoin, Midd or Colgate) if they targeted simply based upon academics period. In this case, which is the actual driving force behind the decision, academics or soccer, if they are crossing schools off their list so they can play soccer?

You are truly insufferable. Why do we have to limit what we consider and you don't? And if Bowdoin, Midd, Colgate, etc is the correct level for a kid academically, then how is there an issue for you? And why is there an issue for you regardless? By your argument a kid who can ONLY play soccer at Midd or who can only access Midd and that level academically you'd tell them not only to skip soccer but also skip college period, as though if you only can reach a certain level you just might as well not bother. What a complete joke you are. Let's go Utes!

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Here is the fallacy in your argument, when a school like a Chicago gives merit money the competition for it is so high that it practically none existent so if your kid has the sort of grades to get some (never mind large chunks of it - to offset a potential soccer scholarship) they are the equivalent of an academic unicorn and have much better options on their plate than a Chicago. That’s just a fact.

Again, the claim was that top academic schools don't give merit aid. I was refuting that claim, not the one you've imputed to me. And, as I demonstrated in the preceding post, the last sentence in your post is clearly incorrect because they're simply aren't options that are much better than Chicago. There are options that might be a bit better, but when you're in the top 10, you can't go much further up.

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Please, you'd give a nut for your kid to go to Chicago and play - A top 10 national university (not some small LAC) where both the men's and women's programs are consistent top performers in one of the better D3 conferences.

True for some and not true for others. There are some here who have kids that had way better options and never even considered any D3 schools because they were so far off the pace relative to their options. That’s what happens when kids have Ivy League level brains and ACC level soccer playing ability, so no, not everyone would give their left nut to be able to send their kid to Chicago. The problem with this particular part of his thread is some want to take kids with high level academic potential and jamb them into a D3 just they can continue to play soccer and then preen around about how smart they are and noble for making academics the priority. Really, if that kid is so smart why aren’t they chasing an Ivy? Isn’t that the academic choice? Why even think about Chicago if not for a need to play soccer.

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You are truly insufferable. Why do we have to limit what we consider and you don't? And if Bowdoin, Midd, Colgate, etc is the correct level for a kid academically, then how is there an issue for you? And why is there an issue for you regardless? By your argument a kid who can ONLY play soccer at Midd or who can only access Midd and that level academically you'd tell them not only to skip soccer but also skip college period, as though if you only can reach a certain level you just might as well not bother. What a complete joke you are. Let's go Utes!

Is that really the level or are you forcing it for the sake of soccer? Take soccer off the table. Are you selling that those are the only options for that level student?

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True for some and not true for others. There are some here who have kids that had way better options and never even considered any D3 schools because they were so far off the pace relative to their options. That’s what happens when kids have Ivy League level brains and ACC level soccer playing ability, so no, not everyone would give their left nut to be able to send their kid to Chicago. The problem with this particular part of his thread is some want to take kids with high level academic potential and jamb them into a D3 just they can continue to play soccer and then preen around about how smart they are and noble for making academics the priority. Really, if that kid is so smart why aren’t they chasing an Ivy? Isn’t that the academic choice? Why even think about Chicago if not for a need to play soccer.

OMG, BTNT. Please stop already. There are no better schools than Chicago. There are peers but nothing qualitatively better. And you are doing your usual strawman routine....you are correct, Stanford level soccer players don't go to Chicago, but Stanford level students DO go to Chicago. Sure, a kid who can play soccer at a top D3 might gain admission to an academic D1 that is a peer, but why do they have to do that? Really, BTNT, how does this impact your miserably pathetic life?

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Is that really the level or are you forcing it for the sake of soccer? Take soccer off the table. Are you selling that those are the only options for that level student?

My kid went to one of the very best schools he could. He played soccer. And this is a problem? And specifically a problem for YOU??? Are residency interviews at Brigham and Womens, MGH, Columbia, Cornell, Duke, UNC, UVA, Mt Sinai, Yale, Penn, etc just not good enough for you?

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This gets boring because its a pretty clear that you have two extremes

1. A kid with elite soccer talent
2. The rest.

Both PoVs can be fine but clearly the options available to both classes are very different. The elite players really dont have to settle in any way. they can get into the very best academic institutions on the back of their ability. I find that parents of kids who are not at that level appear to gain more support because more parents identify with that. They have no idea how relatively easy it is if you are in the elite category.

If my kid was an elite soccer player, there is no way I would steer her to U Chicago even though its a fantastic school. That does not mean I dont place academics highly.

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Again, the claim was that top academic schools don't give merit aid. I was refuting that claim, not the one you've imputed to me. And, as I demonstrated in the preceding post, the last sentence in your post is clearly incorrect because they're simply aren't options that are much better than Chicago. There are options that might be a bit better, but when you're in the top 10, you can't go much further up.

No the actual discussion point started when some moron starting claiming that D1 level soccer talents were picking elite academic D3’s because they could replace the soccer scholarship money with merit aid. It’s a long standing agenda here which, as you point out is technically correct, but actually based on a fallacy. No one is getting enough merit money from Chicago for soccer to offset a D1 scholarship. Now to your point, if a kid is getting a ton of merit money for academics why aren’t they picking Harvard or Yale because the actual reality is those are gold standard schools and valued above Chicago. The level grades needed to get large sums of academic money from a school like Chicago means the kid is literally brilliant and actually the type Harvard and Yale go and chance after. They don’t end up at Chicago.

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OMG, BTNT. Please stop already. There are no better schools than Chicago. There are peers but nothing qualitatively better. And you are doing your usual strawman routine....you are correct, Stanford level soccer players don't go to Chicago, but Stanford level students DO go to Chicago. Sure, a kid who can play soccer at a top D3 might gain admission to an academic D1 that is a peer, but why do they have to do that? Really, BTNT, how does this impact your miserably pathetic life?

Im not BTNT, but its just 2 opposing PoVs. I dont get why anyone has an issue with either one.

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True for some and not true for others. There are some here who have kids that had way better options and never even considered any D3 schools because they were so far off the pace relative to their options. That’s what happens when kids have Ivy League level brains and ACC level soccer playing ability, so no, not everyone would give their left nut to be able to send their kid to Chicago. The problem with this particular part of his thread is some want to take kids with high level academic potential and jamb them into a D3 just they can continue to play soccer and then preen around about how smart they are and noble for making academics the priority. Really, if that kid is so smart why aren’t they chasing an Ivy? Isn’t that the academic choice? Why even think about Chicago if not for a need to play soccer.

False, they didn't consider Chicago because they were tracking for high level D1 soccer. So let's put your own question on you? Why are you allowing soccer to drive your decision? Take soccer off the table and Chicago, Hopkins, Wash U, Williams, Swat, etc are every bit the academic schools as the top D1 universities. And btw, most of us don't preen. And for the couple that do that you have a thorn up your rectum for you should after 12+ years be able to ignore.

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Im not BTNT, but its just 2 opposing PoVs. I dont get why anyone has an issue with either one.

Because BTNT won't let go and has an obsession with D3. He has to defend against D3 at all costs so that he doesn't fall into a deep depression over what he did to one of his kids. Of course, those with narcissistic personality disorder usually don't fall into deep depressions. But they also have no clue about dealing with others and they have a very tenuous relationship with reality.

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No the actual discussion point started when some moron starting claiming that D1 level soccer talents were picking elite academic D3’s because they could replace the soccer scholarship money with merit aid. It’s a long standing agenda here which, as you point out is technically correct, but actually based on a fallacy. No one is getting enough merit money from Chicago for soccer to offset a D1 scholarship. Now to your point, if a kid is getting a ton of merit money for academics why aren’t they picking Harvard or Yale because the actual reality is those are gold standard schools and valued above Chicago. The level grades needed to get large sums of academic money from a school like Chicago means the kid is literally brilliant and actually the type Harvard and Yale go and chance after. They don’t end up at Chicago.

Don't you love it when you respond to an argument and someone tells you were actually responding to a different argument?

Someone said top academic schools don't give merit aid. I demonstrated that they did. That's all.

And I can assure you that some people who could go to Harvard or Yale go to Chicago.

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No the actual discussion point started when some moron starting claiming that D1 level soccer talents were picking elite academic D3’s because they could replace the soccer scholarship money with merit aid. It’s a long standing agenda here which, as you point out is technically correct, but actually based on a fallacy. No one is getting enough merit money from Chicago for soccer to offset a D1 scholarship. Now to your point, if a kid is getting a ton of merit money for academics why aren’t they picking Harvard or Yale because the actual reality is those are gold standard schools and valued above Chicago. The level grades needed to get large sums of academic money from a school like Chicago means the kid is literally brilliant and actually the type Harvard and Yale go and chance after. They don’t end up at Chicago.

False all the way around. Parents here who have kids who can get full soccer rides or even just more $ than they could get in merit aid to attend Stanford, Duke, etc do NOT claim that they are holding out for merit aid at an elite D3. They simply pointed out that there are good D3s in the universe outside of the NESCAC that do offer merit money. The ONLY thing yiou are right about is that a kid getting merit money at Chicago is off the charts. Where you're wrong is that Chicago is just as good as Harvard/Yale and academic folks will tell you that. And maybe a few of those kids do choose a Chicago precisely because they did get decent merit money as opposed to pay the sticker price at Harvard or Yale.

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Don't you love it when you respond to an argument and someone tells you were actually responding to a different argument?

Someone said top academic schools don't give merit aid. I demonstrated that they did. That's all.

And I can assure you that some people who could go to Harvard or Yale go to Chicago.

Exactly! BTNT is a master of distortion and re-writing narratives to fit all of his bizarre and destructive agendas. Sick, sick dude.

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OMG, BTNT. Please stop already. There are no better schools than Chicago. There are peers but nothing qualitatively better. And you are doing your usual strawman routine....you are correct, Stanford level soccer players don't go to Chicago, but Stanford level students DO go to Chicago. Sure, a kid who can play soccer at a top D3 might gain admission to an academic D1 that is a peer, but why do they have to do that? Really, BTNT, how does this impact your miserably pathetic life?

Please you set up these little scenarios and then get pissed when your petty logic gets picked apart. True top tier talent (be it academic or athletic) rises to the top and the leftovers drop to the next option. A world class student is no more choosing Chicago over Harvard than a NT player is going to pick Arkansas over UNC. Those that do are basically the second tier students/athletes in that particular peer group who didn’t make the first cut and end up dropping down just enough to become someone’s idea of a first tier talent. Few people pick situations where they are the second choice if they can help it.