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    #31
    Earth to everyone... You had better know where your player projects to in college before you start spending money on camps or showcases otherwise you are just ******* money without a target. You need to seek out objective opinions about your child's abilities and potential so you can gauge which coaches to contact or which camps to go to. Your club coach is the first such opinion but often they are far from objective. Finding other sources for evaluations is a labor of love that pays huge dividends in the end.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      They use other avenues to contact players, primarily through club coaches. There's lots of other ways as well. Take a look at the list of commits already for sophomore girls. Even a few freshmen already. How do you think those kids got recruited? Coaches know the "rules" and they know the ways around the rules If NCAA wanted to investigate they easily could - it's entirely possible there's gross violations out there and questionable. But soccer isn't on the NCAA radar like big-program basketball or football.

      - not the op
      You are only about half right - if that much.

      What you are right about: kids are making early commitments, and college coaches are contacting players through third parties.

      What you are wrong about: It is not an NCAA violation, there is no gray area here, the rules were not written to prevent coaches and prospects from making contact.

      This is a quote from the NCAA about the contact rules and their intent:

      “NCAA member schools have adopted rules to create an equitable recruiting environment that promotes student-athlete well-being. The rules define who may be involved in the recruiting process, when recruiting may occur and the conditions under which recruiting may be conducted. Recruiting rules seek, as much as possible, to control intrusions into the lives of student-athletes.”

      The last sentence is critical to understanding the purpose of the rule - the NCAA doesn't want college coaches inundating players with "intrusions" into the lives of the prospects.

      This is true in all sports. Women's soccer isn't being ignored because it is small potatoes, women's soccer is being treated exactly the same way as all the other sports.

      Contact by a college coach through a third party who has a previous relationship with a prospect (eg club coach) is 100% legal and 100% the way the system is supposed to work.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        The last sentence is critical to understanding the purpose of the rule - the NCAA doesn't want college coaches inundating players with "intrusions" into the lives of the prospects.

        This is true in all sports. Women's soccer isn't being ignored because it is small potatoes, women's soccer is being treated exactly the same way as all the other sports.

        Contact by a college coach through a third party who has a previous relationship with a prospect (eg club coach) is 100% legal and 100% the way the system is supposed to work.
        seriously?

        the ncca intended for club coaches of 7th thru 10th graders to be conduits?

        i have a hard time believing this is their intent or in the best interest of young players.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          seriously?

          the ncca intended for club coaches of 7th thru 10th graders to be conduits?

          i have a hard time believing this is their intent or in the best interest of young players.
          They intended not to regulate when coaches can contact players - as a matter of fact they have specifically refused to address the issue several times.

          The only thing the NCAA wants to limit is players being overwhelmed by intrusion by coaches.

          They have made both of these points clear on numerous occasions.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Earth to everyone... You had better know where your player projects to in college before you start spending money on camps or showcases otherwise you are just ******* money without a target. You need to seek out objective opinions about your child's abilities and potential so you can gauge which coaches to contact or which camps to go to. Your club coach is the first such opinion but often they are far from objective. Finding other sources for evaluations is a labor of love that pays huge dividends in the end.
            Can we just bring 'em all over to your house, BTNT, and let you do an evaluation? You should be better, more reliable, and more connected than anyone in the New England region, no?

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              #36
              If you have to ask, then they are not a top 100 d1 prospect

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                If you have to ask, then they are not a top 100 d1 prospect
                Oh really... perhaps some people do not want to over estimate their kids ability. Maybe someone is trying to better understand what a college coach is looking for. Other people attempted to answer the question. If you don't have anything constructive to offer, why not sit back and let other contribute.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Oh really... perhaps some people do not want to over estimate their kids ability. Maybe someone is trying to better understand what a college coach is looking for. Other people attempted to answer the question. If you don't have anything constructive to offer, why not sit back and let other contribute.
                  some people don't know how to be anything but a di*k. unfortunately this site attracts them like flies to sh*t

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                    #39
                    Yes - best to get on coach radar /reach out before camp for best look when there.

                    However since this thread is top 100- if the player is that good (and few are, including most academy players who don't stack up to all the kids thes coaches looking at globally) you will be good enough to stand out in any camp/ cattle call wishin in hour. Most aren't that good. And that's ok. There are hundreds of other good schools to play at in college.

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                      #40
                      Even within the top schools the coaches often looking for a differ t type of player dependin on their playing style. Some of the very top schools may be looking for a smart/possession type player if fhey play more that way when others go crazy over size and speed only. Just the way it is. Do the research and don't assume all coaches looking for exactly the same.

                      Sometimes coach background and roster gives you a clue. Is it full of 5 7 players from Jamaica and Spain or 6 4 players from USA etc. Easy to tell sometimes.

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                        #41
                        Here is a great article about what the national team and top tier college programs are looking for in a player. http://goalnation.com/women-in-socce...r-on-scouting/ Obviously as one moves down the competitive ladder the expectations degrade but what some people on at least this forum don't seem grasp is just how just how high that initial bar is set at those top levels. At that level the expectation is flat out perfection, not near perfection, and not only in terms of soccer skill but also in terms of athleticism and drive. In many respects though that individual's drive is the most import element because once you get to a certain level that really is the only significant variable that separates the players. Why this is important to state is objectivity is the single most important part of the recruiting process because if you accurately peg where your player not only fits, but can actually thrive, the whole process becomes much simpler than commonly gets portrayed here. When you are talking strictly about soccer without consideration of other variables, whether you dealing with a national level player or a player destined for a lower level, there are only going to be a small handful of programs (maybe 3 or 4 at most) were both the roster opportunity and level of play line up so that player really is going to have a chance to shine. That opportunity to shine is where families are going to find the most scholarship money and or other incentives so the whole process starts with accurately identifying the level of play where the player can impact. That all comes down to objectivity.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by beentheredonethat View Post
                          Here is a great article about what the national team and top tier college programs are looking for in a player. http://goalnation.com/women-in-socce...r-on-scouting/ Obviously as one moves down the competitive ladder the expectations degrade but what some people on at least this forum don't seem grasp is just how just how high that initial bar is set at those top levels. At that level the expectation is flat out perfection, not near perfection, and not only in terms of soccer skill but also in terms of athleticism and drive. In many respects though that individual's drive is the most import element because once you get to a certain level that really is the only significant variable that separates the players. Why this is important to state is objectivity is the single most important part of the recruiting process because if you accurately peg where your player not only fits, but can actually thrive, the whole process becomes much simpler than commonly gets portrayed here. When you are talking strictly about soccer without consideration of other variables, whether you dealing with a national level player or a player destined for a lower level, there are only going to be a small handful of programs (maybe 3 or 4 at most) were both the roster opportunity and level of play line up so that player really is going to have a chance to shine. That opportunity to shine is where families are going to find the most scholarship money and or other incentives so the whole process starts with accurately identifying the level of play where the player can impact. That all comes down to objectivity.
                          Ah, saw you signed in and was expecting something all shiny and new. Should have known better. The whole process becomes much simpler than commonly portrayed? That's funny. You're the only person who ever suggested it is difficult. Glad you're figuring out that isn't true.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Ah, saw you signed in and was expecting something all shiny and new. Should have known better. The whole process becomes much simpler than commonly portrayed? That's funny. You're the only person who ever suggested it is difficult. Glad you're figuring out that isn't true.
                            What is so difficult about figuring out the couple of schools that are going to work and going right to them? Beats the hell out of flying all over the country hoping some random coach will have some sort of an epiphany.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              What is so difficult about figuring out the couple of schools that are going to work and going right to them? Beats the hell out of flying all over the country hoping some random coach will have some sort of an epiphany.
                              Go to sleep, BTNT. You are not having a good day.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Go to sleep, BTNT. You are not having a good day.
                                Interesting that you obviously can't answer the question. Could it be that if it were that simple no one would need to travel all over the country chasing exposure and that would hit a number of posters right in the pocket?

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