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    Looking at 3 NESCAC schools and is a 2016. Two schools really like her and there was talk of getting early read and going ED. She also is looking at two other schools (1 A nescac AND THE OTHER a newmac) . She has mixed opinions of all four coaches. One coach shows interest via club coach and two others send emails that are general and refer as if they are responding to emails she has sent to them (which she hasn't). She can't figure out the last coach at all which is tough because that's her #2 school.
    Any comments on NESCAC women's coaches out there? Who is good and who to stay clear of?

    #2
    Academics

    Pick the school that is the best fit academically. Have your daughter go to an overnight at each school so she can get a sense of the school outside of soccer. Our daughter thought for sure she wanted one school/coach and after an overnight changed her mind. At the end of the day if for some reason they can't play soccer (injury) for the school are they still going to be happy and get a good education.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Pick the school that is the best fit academically. Have your daughter go to an overnight at each school so she can get a sense of the school outside of soccer. Our daughter thought for sure she wanted one school/coach and after an overnight changed her mind. At the end of the day if for some reason they can't play soccer (injury) for the school are they still going to be happy and get a good education.
      Can't agree more. Academics first and foremost. Tell your D to imagine going there without soccer, because that can happen. Doing a few overnights was a big help in my son deciding where to go. Not only did he also get a better sense of being a student (dorms, cafeteria, classes) but the team as well. Gut instinct is important as well - if your D is getting a weird or uninterested vibe from someone there's probably a reason for it. My son didn't like one coach even though it was a great soccer program. He ended up going with a school that fit him better academically and LOVES. Soccer-wise isn't the best but loves his team mates and coach. But if he stopped playing tomorrow he'd still stay at the school. At the end of the day that piece of paper matters more.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Can't agree more. Academics first and foremost. Tell your D to imagine going there without soccer, because that can happen. Doing a few overnights was a big help in my son deciding where to go. Not only did he also get a better sense of being a student (dorms, cafeteria, classes) but the team as well. Gut instinct is important as well - if your D is getting a weird or uninterested vibe from someone there's probably a reason for it. My son didn't like one coach even though it was a great soccer program. He ended up going with a school that fit him better academically and LOVES. Soccer-wise isn't the best but loves his team mates and coach. But if he stopped playing tomorrow he'd still stay at the school. At the end of the day that piece of paper matters more.
        WOW. Finally some common sense on TS. From a dad who has four kids totally devoted to soccer and the potential for at least a couple of them to play D1, the truth is that the likelyhood of anyone on this site having their child go pro is slim to none. And even if they go pro (especially on the girls side) unless they are Mia Hamm, they aren't going to make a lot of money. If they are using soccer as another mechanism along with grades to get into a good school, that's great and hopefully they have a very fullfilling colleagiate career, but it HAS to be about the education.

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          #5
          Yes agreed that academics is the priority. But if kid wants to play soccer, research coach and ask around because if you do go to that school, and you want to play, a coach is still a part of the entire college experience. Quitting isn't everyone's reaction. Know what you are getting into. Look at player retention, records too.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Can't agree more. Academics first and foremost. Tell your D to imagine going there without soccer, because that can happen. Doing a few overnights was a big help in my son deciding where to go. Not only did he also get a better sense of being a student (dorms, cafeteria, classes) but the team as well. Gut instinct is important as well - if your D is getting a weird or uninterested vibe from someone there's probably a reason for it. My son didn't like one coach even though it was a great soccer program. He ended up going with a school that fit him better academically and LOVES. Soccer-wise isn't the best but loves his team mates and coach. But if he stopped playing tomorrow he'd still stay at the school. At the end of the day that piece of paper matters more.
            If your child can't play soccer well enough to earn a scholarship at a higher level program then of course they should focus strictly on the academics. That makes all of the sense in the world. In fact that should be considered almost a no brainer. What doesn't make sense is worrying about the soccer component at all. Even though your child may love playing soccer, why put all of this extra effort into something that is basically just an extra curricular activity for them? Your child is either going to play for the enjoyment of it or they are not. There really isn't anything else at this level. You really have to ask yourself though whether that weird vibe you are questioning really should actually even factor into the decision at all because if the academics really are the primary factor in the decision why would you walk away from any school just because of something related to soccer? Why not just skip playing soccer? At this level soccer shouldn't be more important than the primary goal - the academic fit. You seem to be putting way more of an emphasis on soccer by putting so much energy into finding the soccer fit. You either need to clarify what your goals are or be more focused on them because you seem to be putting the cart before the horse.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              WOW. Finally some common sense on TS. From a dad who has four kids totally devoted to soccer and the potential for at least a couple of them to play D1, the truth is that the likelyhood of anyone on this site having their child go pro is slim to none. And even if they go pro (especially on the girls side) unless they are Mia Hamm, they aren't going to make a lot of money. If they are using soccer as another mechanism along with grades to get into a good school, that's great and hopefully they have a very fullfilling colleagiate career, but it HAS to be about the education.
              You are not actually correct because there are many more players from Mass that are playing soccer professionally either domestically or overseas. If your child has upper level D1 potential it absolutely is a legitimate option for them and the money is better than you state. Just because you yourself don't value that experience or want it for your child, don't assume that others don't or that pursuing that upper D1 level experience is not something that others find attractive. Contrary to what you seem to believe, that "experience" itself could actually lead to a very fulfilling career so please quit trying to minimize the options that are out there just so you can justify your warped little views of the world.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Looking at 3 NESCAC schools and is a 2016. Two schools really like her and there was talk of getting early read and going ED. She also is looking at two other schools (1 A nescac AND THE OTHER a newmac) . She has mixed opinions of all four coaches. One coach shows interest via club coach and two others send emails that are general and refer as if they are responding to emails she has sent to them (which she hasn't). She can't figure out the last coach at all which is tough because that's her #2 school.
                Any comments on NESCAC women's coaches out there? Who is good and who to stay clear of?
                Have her do a visit with an overnight stay. That is pretty customary for most NESCACs. This will let her truly see dorms, food, social life and to meet the players in a more informal setting. The coach on my daughters team is awful. We kind of knew that going in, but this is the school she wanted to go to. If your daughter visits my kids school the girls would definitely let her know about the coaching issues.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  If your child can't play soccer well enough to earn a scholarship at a higher level program then of course they should focus strictly on the academics. That makes all of the sense in the world. In fact that should be considered almost a no brainer. What doesn't make sense is worrying about the soccer component at all. Even though your child may love playing soccer, why put all of this extra effort into something that is basically just an extra curricular activity for them? Your child is either going to play for the enjoyment of it or they are not. There really isn't anything else at this level. You really have to ask yourself though whether that weird vibe you are questioning really should actually even factor into the decision at all because if the academics really are the primary factor in the decision why would you walk away from any school just because of something related to soccer? Why not just skip playing soccer? At this level soccer shouldn't be more important than the primary goal - the academic fit. You seem to be putting way more of an emphasis on soccer by putting so much energy into finding the soccer fit. You either need to clarify what your goals are or be more focused on them because you seem to be putting the cart before the horse.
                  Your ignorance of the reality of the situation makes your response worthless. There are few scholarship $ available. All these kids going D1 aren't saving their parents lots of money on tuition. Many that do go D1 from our area don't see the field much - that's a bigger commitment t for less benefit than being a leader on a D3 team.

                  If soccer is important to a kid then this is important. Some of the coaches at D3 suck. They've hung around for ever and do nothing to improve themselves. Those are the ones to watch out for. My kids coach is a bully and turnover is huge. He chased away a star player who wanted to also do other extracurriculars.

                  I agree with the other posters you have to want to go to the school first.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Your ignorance of the reality of the situation makes your response worthless. There are few scholarship $ available. All these kids going D1 aren't saving their parents lots of money on tuition. Many that do go D1 from our area don't see the field much - that's a bigger commitment t for less benefit than being a leader on a D3 team.

                    If soccer is important to a kid then this is important. Some of the coaches at D3 suck. They've hung around for ever and do nothing to improve themselves. Those are the ones to watch out for. My kids coach is a bully and turnover is huge. He chased away a star player who wanted to also do other extracurriculars.

                    I agree with the other posters you have to want to go to the school first.
                    Don't bother. The poster you were responding to is here to pontificate, and to rationalize his own poor choices.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Have her do a visit with an overnight stay. That is pretty customary for most NESCACs. This will let her truly see dorms, food, social life and to meet the players in a more informal setting. The coach on my daughters team is awful. We kind of knew that going in, but this is the school she wanted to go to. If your daughter visits my kids school the girls would definitely let her know about the coaching issues.
                      ask the upperclassmen about the coach. most overnights give a glimpse but coaches are on best behavior on these visits. be wary of coaches that have been there for long terms and have bad w-l records. Shows the ad doesn't care.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Don't bother. The poster you were responding to is here to pontificate, and to rationalize his own poor choices.
                        LOL, this thread is all about pontification.

                        Bottom line with this thread is that you all are making a mountain out of a mole hill here. You do not turn down greats schools like a Tufts or Trinity or any D3 for that matter simply because of something you perceive to be wrong with their soccer program. That is putting too much weight on soccer at a level where sports are an ancillary activity to the academic mission. It should carry about the same weight as the food and the dorms. In other words it should be a secondary variable, something that matters but not anywhere near a deal breaker.

                        At this level the primary reason you pick one school over another is the academic reputation and it's fit with your child's academic goals. Sure you go taste the food and look at a dorm room get the rest of the fit right. You even go meet the coach and talk to them about the team but some of you want to make the soccer piece way way more than it is intended to be. Anyone who would either pick or walk away from a school at this level simply because of soccer would be a fool so putting as much energy as some of you apparently are into getting the soccer fit right is foolish.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          LOL, this thread is all about pontification....
                          No, just you, still at, still rationalizing. As you like to say, stay on topic. No one cares about your value judgments re D3 soccer--and that certainly was not the topic.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            No, just you, still at, still rationalizing. As you like to say, stay on topic. No one cares about your value judgments re D3 soccer--and that certainly was not the topic.
                            LMFAO. Talk about rationalizing. That is always the hysterical thing about you, you honestly believe that you see things soooooo much more clearly than everyone else. You who basically have spent years here trying to enhance the allure of what in reality is a very small sliver of pie. The simple fact here is you are doing exactly what you always claim btdt did, making soccer a bigger deal in the college choice than you perceive it should have been and that is precisely why you are one of the biggest blowhards on this site. Not only do you not see how ridiculous your actions are, you don't recognize that the advice you are spewing like diarrhea doesn't actually match up with the goals of the level you are championing. You do not pick a D3 school because of soccer, you pick it because of the education. Anyone who puts as much effort into examining the soccer aspects of their academic choice as you do is delusional.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              LMFAO. Talk about rationalizing. That is always the hysterical thing about you, you honestly believe that you see things soooooo much more clearly than everyone else. You who basically have spent years here trying to enhance the allure of what in reality is a very small sliver of pie....
                              Who are you talking to? And why? Stay on topic, as BTDT says.

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