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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    The IRS doesn't care about alleged conflicts of interest among the board of directors of nonprofits. It cares about taxes. That's it's job. IRS records might be used as evidence by other law enforcement agencies, but the IRS itself is only concerned with collecting taxes.

    The US DOJ does care about various types of corporate fraud, but generally only if it's interstate. The DOJ probably doesn't care that a soccer coach working for two clubs might be putting the interests of one ahead of the other.

    The tort you seem to be thinking of is "breach of fiduciary duty". Fiduciary duty doesn't attach to all employee/employer relationships--in most cases of a conflict there, the recourse of the employer is to terminate the employee. It does attach to the relationship between a director and a corporation; the director is supposed to put the interests of the corporation (in this case, a nonprofit) above his or her own. Other professionals (accountants, realtors, lawyers, etc.) also have fiduciary duties to their clients.

    However, proving that can be tricky; you generally have to show that the agent in question was knowingly betraying the interests of his/her client. Note that "breach of fiduciary duty" (the tort that you can sue for, or which may subject someone to professional discipline or even criminal penalties) is a much higher standard than "conflict of interest" or appearance thereof--many things that may look unethical or downright dirty may be in fact perfectly legal.

    In the case of soccer coaches who are working for more than one club: generally, both clubs are aware of (and approve of) such relationships, and the parties who have standing to assert claims of BoFD or CoI are the clubs themselves, not the parents.

    If there is a club that a) has a self-perpetuating board, b) such board is captive to a DoC or other principal employee, and c) tolerates said employee enriching himself to the club's detriment--the recourse of the public, in these cases, is generally to take your business elsewhere. If a club's board is publicly elected, another recourse is to try and oust the existing board.

    But unless there is obvious fraud, the cops are generally not going to get involved in youth soccer disputes. Particularly of the sort "he's employed by Team X, but spends all his time with (and steers players to) Team Y, who he is also employed by". It is the duty of the management Team X, not the parents of its players, to ensure that the relationship is satisfactory.
    Not even close. Your narrative doesn't fit the actual conflict of interest issue in play.Snort not tort.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Not even close. Your narrative doesn't fit the actual conflict of interest issue in play.Snort not tort.
      Well, spull it, then. Who is bilking his or her employer, and how?

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        You didn't provide anything.

        On the guidestar site with little effort you can look up the 3 clubs, 2 of them have the dirt clear as day for the last 3 years, the 3rd one requires a stiff annual fee to see. Which you can't afford. But these guys can.

        Sorry you can't figure this out.

        3 clubs

        Club #1 Pays Coach A

        Club #2 Pays Coach B

        Club #3 Pays Coach A & B.

        Club #1 & Club #2 have no control or knowledge about what Club 3 is paying since they have no formal connection or board presence.

        This isn't a new thing this shell game has been going on for years. Parent Boards have no clue about these backroom

        deals. But now, the IRS & DOJ do. Just wait what happens next.
        This appears to be only a tease, since the forum topic is centered on solely the DOC compensation amounts, there are quite of few more layers to this particular onion at a board level, employee level and yes a private business level. All of it coated with the stench of a serious conflict of interest.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          This appears to be only a tease, since the forum topic is centered on solely the DOC compensation amounts, there are quite of few more layers to this particular onion at a board level, employee level and yes a private business level. All of it coated with the stench of a serious conflict of interest.
          And lots of innuendo being tossed around, but no specifics. Typical for this forum.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            And lots of innuendo being tossed around, but no specifics. Typical for this forum.
            Thank goodness the forum isn't investigating this. The only time the forum will remark is when the rulings come down.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              And lots of innuendo being tossed around, but no specifics. Typical for this forum.
              Whenever the lurid details are posted anonymously they get shot to pieces by forum narrative debunkers. Also anonymous. It’s the circle of life & death in this ***** hole.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Whenever the lurid details are posted anonymously they get shot to pieces by forum narrative debunkers. Also anonymous. It’s the circle of life & death in this ***** hole.
                Yup.

                Perhaps if someone has credible accusations, they ought to be made publicly by someone willing to put their name on the line. Posting BS in a chatroom is lame.

                And this forum is super lame, as even details that might be challenged aren't given.

                Instead, it's drivel like "I hear <coach's name> is up to some smelly stuff at club X. Doesn't he know that the IRS and the DOJ and the FBI send people to jail for corruption?"

                You will not find a more wretched hive of cowards and liars in the galaxy.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Yup.

                  Perhaps if someone has credible accusations, they ought to be made publicly by someone willing to put their name on the line. Posting BS in a chatroom is lame.

                  And this forum is super lame, as even details that might be challenged aren't given.

                  Instead, it's drivel like "I hear <coach's name> is up to some smelly stuff at club X. Doesn't he know that the IRS and the DOJ and the FBI send people to jail for corruption?"

                  You will not find a more wretched hive of cowards and liars in the galaxy.
                  That's the challenge isn't it, figuring out what is credible and was is fantasy. Sadly the flaming redirects towards anonymous posters typically dim where the light should be shined.
                  Par for the course on this site. Business as usual out in the real world. Love it.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Yup.

                    Perhaps if someone has credible accusations, they ought to be made publicly by someone willing to put their name on the line. Posting BS in a chatroom is lame.

                    And this forum is super lame, as even details that might be challenged aren't given.

                    Instead, it's drivel like "I hear <coach's name> is up to some smelly stuff at club X. Doesn't he know that the IRS and the DOJ and the FBI send people to jail for corruption?"

                    You will not find a more wretched hive of cowards and liars in the galaxy.
                    No accusations are being floated, the chain of evidence has been submitted to the proper agencies. Now just waiting..Could amount to a slap on the wrist or nothing or something serious.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      No accusations are being floated, the chain of evidence has been submitted to the proper agencies. Now just waiting..Could amount to a slap on the wrist or nothing or something serious.
                      Says the guy stealing the Obe wan Knobe quote...

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        No accusations are being floated, the chain of evidence has been submitted to the proper agencies. Now just waiting..Could amount to a slap on the wrist or nothing or something serious.
                        "That's it, coach! You'll be sorry. I'm telling your mom on you!"

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          No accusations are being floated, the chain of evidence has been submitted to the proper agencies. Now just waiting..Could amount to a slap on the wrist or nothing or something serious.
                          Appreciate the clarification and update. Have a great weekend!

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Not sure I agree with the premise that having 5 teams at an age group justifies that level of compensation -- particularly when you are cramming them in at Buckman. Perhaps you're right that winning isn't the right metric either, but then what is? All I know, is that when you offer 5 teams at an age level and make that salary, it lends to the narrative that it is just a money making venture for the DOC/CEO. This board is full of parents decrying the "con-artists" for selling winning/development/college placement etc., to their kids to get them to their club. Here, there is a club peddling an "elite" "premier" soccer experience for their own bottom line -- more kids = more revenue. As for the transparency piece, it goes on the 990, so yes all non-profit clubs report it. I can say I'm not aware of any DOC in the area who comes anywhere near that salary.
                            Sorry I wasn't very clear. It is my opinion that these are ALL money making ventures for the highly compensated within each organization. The con-artist comments come only from those who are fooled into believing anything otherwise.

                            These are businesses with profit motivation. The profit does not show up as retained earnings or dividends to shareholders. The profit goes into the pockets of the higher ups.

                            Please do not take any of this as some sort of admonishing of those who are earning a solid income from these businesses. They provide a service, which all us crazy parents, seem to want.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Sorry I wasn't very clear. It is my opinion that these are ALL money making ventures for the highly compensated within each organization. The con-artist comments come only from those who are fooled into believing anything otherwise.

                              These are businesses with profit motivation. The profit does not show up as retained earnings or dividends to shareholders. The profit goes into the pockets of the higher ups.

                              Please do not take any of this as some sort of admonishing of those who are earning a solid income from these businesses. They provide a service, which all us crazy parents, seem to want.

                              They should be investing capital in their club..Not inflated salaries to soccer bums. These are 501C threes with a nonprofit mission to serve...a good start would Reinvesting into the club infrastructure facilities and that type of thing instead they just pay the same jokers more and more for nothing.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                S

                                Please do not take any of this as some sort of admonishing of those who are earning a solid income from these businesses. They provide a service, which all us crazy parents, seem to want.
                                True. Agree.

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