Scholarship percentages

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In a nut shell what they are saying above is that they believe that 90-100% of club soccer parents with kids playing at the most intense and expensive levels have absolutely no expectation of a soccer scholarship what so ever and after spending thousands of family hours and dropping $40-50K+ on the activity will be only interested in pursuing non scholarship soccer opportunities at some elite (and presumably liberal) college and that literally no one is actually interested in parlaying their child's ability to play soccer into an education at some "lesser" college never mind pursuing it as a career. I wonder how many of those ECNL/DAP parents really do buy that? Is it really 90%-100% or is it more like 10%-20%?

First, BTNT, do you want to dispute this is you, especially knowing how sensitive you are about accuracy?

Second, your logic and reasoning skills remain disastrous. Very few people have kids who could go to Chicago or Ivies, so less than 10% even consider those schools. Let's reverse your question. How many families who get offers from the D2s and St Peter's and Fairfields of the world WOULD consider high D3s and Ivies if told they had a spot there? Think anyone would forego a scholarship to Fairfield if Harvard is on the table? Would you actually advise a family to take that Central Ct State full ride over a chance to go to Harvard? Let's see how dumb you really are.

And fyi, Nebraska Wesleyan is now D3 and plays in the IIAC (Iowa D3 conference with Loras, Luther, Wartburg, Dubuque, Simpson, etc).

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Through High level soccer my daughter has had many opportunities for her future opened to her. She has many more choices on the table from D 1,2 3 schools both far and close to home. I do not regret one dollar spent so far. As her parent I feel I have done this to offer her many different options. Now how she chooses to make her college decision is what is the best fit for her both academically and athletically. If she chooses a small D3 school with no scholarship, I am fine with that. Soccer helped giving her more options.

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BTNT, sorry to inform you that no one, including IVY diehards, consider Chicago a step down. Some experts actually consider a few schools like Chicago, Swarthmore and even a Reed to be more rigorous than the Ivies.

Not ultimately accepting an athletic scholarship doesn't mean families never expected any offers. Just means chasing a scholarship isn't the reason or only reason they play and that many won't take an offer at a school several tiers below where they belong. Chicago quality students won't be considering Assumption, Nebraska Wesleyan, Sacred Heart or Fairfield. For students who fit with those schools those are great choices and a scholarship will be more than welcomed.

The rest of your post is frankly psychotic. Nobody is posting to ruin the chances of those who are seeking scholarships or to obscure how to do so.

You are the King of misinformation. You are the ultimate disservice. Your own assessment of how valuable and essential you are is simply laughable. Like truly laughable.

Good luck!

Lol. Now we have whole D3 is just as good as D1 spiel applied to academics. Who writes this stuff. Harvard, Yale and Princeton are still the Holy Grail and no one is going to turn one of them down to go U Chicago.

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Lol. Now we have whole D3 is just as good as D1 spiel applied to academics. Who writes this stuff. Harvard, Yale and Princeton are still the Holy Grail and no one is going to turn one of them down to go U Chicago.

LOL. If a Princeton admit isn't going to Chicago, what makes you think a Chicago admit is going to Elon?

It's a puzzle. A kid who gets in Princeton and Chicago will choose Princeton if they can be an impact player there, but otherwise they might very well choose Chicago.

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https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges...l-universities

Nothing better than catching Btdt with no clue when he's spouting off endlessly.

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Most amazed by how how many parents push their kids down this club soccer path as if the scholarship is the end goal. What happens when the kid quits soccer after their 1st or 2nd year at school because they aren't an impact player? They drop out with zero degree because they can't afford it or transfer to CC. Unless your kid is really a stand out, playing in college won't change won't change your standing with any team.

Isn't this a really a condemnation of club soccer in general? Is anyone actually debating that a soccer scholarship is the dream the industry markets? Why is anyone involved in the first place if these are the actual outcomes? The economics of club soccer don't really make much sense then because even on a low level team that doesn't travel all over the country a family is going to easily drop $2-3K a year which over the long haul is going to roll up to $20-30K . Realistically you can double that if the family is involved at the top levels. If there isn't even a thought of a scholarship then the family is looking at $65-75K (and going up rapidly) for a college education on top of that so why is anyone even involved it in the first place? Its not like there aren't town level programs that would allow the child to play soccer at a fraction of the cost. The truth of the matter is the outcomes outlined above are a reality, it's just that they aren't the only reality. There are plenty of scholarship athletes that look at their scholarship as their version of work/study. Their goal is to acquire as good an education as they can get with as little debt as possible. The idea that negative outcomes only apply to the scholarship athletes is nothing but sour grapes. The likelihood of a positive outcome really comes down to how seriously the individual child takes their job/education because realistically a kid that gets into a great school like U of Chicago can just as easily spend all their time partying as an athlete can. This all comes down to the individual kid and what they themselves bring to the table. If they are talented and motivated they should end up just fine.

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OK, you won. Everyone respects the hell out of the ECNL kid and their parents when the end up settling for a D3 program and then acts like everyone else secretly wishes they could go that way as well.

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Isn't this a really a condemnation of club soccer in general? Is anyone actually debating that a soccer scholarship is the dream the industry markets? Why is anyone involved in the first place if these are the actual outcomes? The economics of club soccer don't really make much sense then because even on a low level team that doesn't travel all over the country a family is going to easily drop $2-3K a year which over the long haul is going to roll up to $20-30K . Realistically you can double that if the family is involved at the top levels. If there isn't even a thought of a scholarship then the family is looking at $65-75K (and going up rapidly) for a college education on top of that so why is anyone even involved it in the first place? Its not like there aren't town level programs that would allow the child to play soccer at a fraction of the cost. The truth of the matter is the outcomes outlined above are a reality, it's just that they aren't the only reality. There are plenty of scholarship athletes that look at their scholarship as their version of work/study. Their goal is to acquire as good an education as they can get with as little debt as possible. The idea that negative outcomes only apply to the scholarship athletes is nothing but sour grapes. The likelihood of a positive outcome really comes down to how seriously the individual child takes their job/education because realistically a kid that gets into a great school like U of Chicago can just as easily spend all their time partying as an athlete can. This all comes down to the individual kid and what they themselves bring to the table. If they are talented and motivated they should end up just fine.

When you insist on inputting the same false premises you will continue to draw falsehoods conclusions. You are the poster child for banging one's head against the wall repeatedly and expecting that to yield an answer that you like. A soccer scholarship is not a prerequisite for participating in club soccer, even at the highest levels. And similarly it does not follow that anyone who doesn't earn or turns down a scholarship should have just played town soccer. Just playing town soccer doesn't get you on the field at Chicago. Of course your echolalic reply will be why anyone who desires Chicago would want to bother with soccer anyway. Your brain is like a 1990 computer trying to run 2017 software....You lack the capacity to get beyond your own error messages.

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First, BTNT, do you want to dispute this is you, especially knowing how sensitive you are about accuracy?

Second, your logic and reasoning skills remain disastrous. Very few people have kids who could go to Chicago or Ivies, so less than 10% even consider those schools. Let's reverse your question. How many families who get offers from the D2s and St Peter's and Fairfields of the world WOULD consider high D3s and Ivies if told they had a spot there? Think anyone would forego a scholarship to Fairfield if Harvard is on the table? Would you actually advise a family to take that Central Ct State full ride over a chance to go to Harvard? Let's see how dumb you really are.

And fyi, Nebraska Wesleyan is now D3 and plays in the IIAC (Iowa D3 conference with Loras, Luther, Wartburg, Dubuque, Simpson, etc).

You finally seem to get it, it all comes down to an individual kid's talent and drive coupled with the amount of objectivity a parent has when charting a course for their child. If a parent see that their kid is smart enough to get into Harvard most are going to put them on a course that leads to being a student at Harvard, not U Chicago. If a parent sees that their kid is a good enough soccer player to be offered a soccer scholarship to a Georgetown most are going to put their kid on a path that leads to playing soccer at Georgetown, not U Chicago. The only parents that specifically target a school like U Chicago from the onset are typically either alumni or the ones that look at their kid objectively and realize that they aren't good enough academically or athletically to land at one of the prestige schools. Obviously there are tons of variations involved that alter everyone's path. You could have a really good soccer player who is just a "B" student or you could have a really good student who is just a "B" player. You could also be of modest means and not able to afford the $60-70K per tuitions that most colleges now cost. On top of that, there are a ton of other things like injuries or family issues that can alter the path along the way. There are lots of reasons why someone's kid might end up at U Chicago and they end up happy about it. Most parents are ecstatic when their kids get admitted to college and especially when they get admitted to great schools like U Chicago. To suggest though that your average ECNL/DA parent starts out targeting the D3 U Chicago's or Bowdoin's out there is more than a little far fetched because there are actually a good number of D1 schools like the Davidson's and Colgate's out there that they could easily target instead. Anyone who would quibble over the educations at either of those schools relative to the D3 one's is nuts especially when you factor in scholarship money. If your kid has the athletic ability, it's a no brainer. It's only when the kid doesn't have the athletic ability to play D1 soccer but still wants to play soccer that the U Chicago and Bowdoin's pop up and that is when we start getting the farcical comparisons like Fairfield vs the Ivies or D3 like above. Its pretty clear that they are trying to defend their lack of objectivity and their judgement being clouded by an unrealistic emphasis on a sport. At the end of the day, if it were really only about education from the get go, why is soccer even a factor in the decision at all?

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When you insist on inputting the same false premises you will continue to draw falsehoods conclusions. You are the poster child for banging one's head against the wall repeatedly and expecting that to yield an answer that you like. A soccer scholarship is not a prerequisite for participating in club soccer, even at the highest levels. And similarly it does not follow that anyone who doesn't earn or turns down a scholarship should have just played town soccer. Just playing town soccer doesn't get you on the field at Chicago. Of course your echolalic reply will be why anyone who desires Chicago would want to bother with soccer anyway. Your brain is like a 1990 computer trying to run 2017 software....You lack the capacity to get beyond your own error messages.

Wrote the overly indulgent parent of a snowflake.

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You finally seem to get it, it all comes down to an individual kid's talent and drive coupled with the amount of objectivity a parent has when charting a course for their child. If a parent see that their kid is smart enough to get into Harvard most are going to put them on a course that leads to being a student at Harvard, not U Chicago. If a parent sees that their kid is a good enough soccer player to be offered a soccer scholarship to a Georgetown most are going to put their kid on a path that leads to playing soccer at Georgetown, not U Chicago. The only parents that specifically target a school like U Chicago from the onset are typically either alumni or the ones that look at their kid objectively and realize that they aren't good enough academically or athletically to land at one of the prestige schools. Obviously there are tons of variations involved that alter everyone's path. You could have a really good soccer player who is just a "B" student or you could have a really good student who is just a "B" player. You could also be of modest means and not able to afford the $60-70K per tuitions that most colleges now cost. On top of that, there are a ton of other things like injuries or family issues that can alter the path along the way. There are lots of reasons why someone's kid might end up at U Chicago and they end up happy about it. Most parents are ecstatic when their kids get admitted to college and especially when they get admitted to great schools like U Chicago. To suggest though that your average ECNL/DA parent starts out targeting the D3 U Chicago's or Bowdoin's out there is more than a little far fetched because there are actually a good number of D1 schools like the Davidson's and Colgate's out there that they could easily target instead. Anyone who would quibble over the educations at either of those schools relative to the D3 one's is nuts especially when you factor in scholarship money. If your kid has the athletic ability, it's a no brainer. It's only when the kid doesn't have the athletic ability to play D1 soccer but still wants to play soccer that the U Chicago and Bowdoin's pop up and that is when we start getting the farcical comparisons like Fairfield vs the Ivies or D3 like above. Its pretty clear that they are trying to defend their lack of objectivity and their judgement being clouded by an unrealistic emphasis on a sport. At the end of the day, if it were really only about education from the get go, why is soccer even a factor in the decision at all?

BTNT never disappoints! The last sentence just as predicted.

It's not JUST about the education even though when convenient to your argument that's what you insist on imposing.

Also not sure how tied with Yale and ranked above Stanford, Columbia, MIT, Penn, Duke, etc makes Chicago non-prestigious.

And families don't start out targeting one school, which has zero to do with whether they are allowed to be genuinely thrilled at the end of the process.

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Btw, BTNT, what in the world would it mean for parents to set a kid on a path towards Harvard but not Chicago??? It's the exact same kind of path! Seriously, please thread the needle here and coach parents how the paths are so different.

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BTNT never disappoints! The last sentence just as predicted.

It's not JUST about the education even though when convenient to your argument that's what you insist on imposing.

Also not sure how tied with Yale and ranked above Stanford, Columbia, MIT, Penn, Duke, etc makes Chicago non-prestigious.

And families don't start out targeting one school, which has zero to do with whether they are allowed to be genuinely thrilled at the end of the process.

Don't waste your breath arguing with him. At this point he's like the stammering old homeless guy on the corner. Ignore him and hope that his family will take care of him instead of him becoming a burden to society

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This BTDT guy really is a piece of work. Can't believe there is any debate at all about the frequency of his posting. Wow. And such a stooge.

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Another lemon stars dreamcake rant