State Cup

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It's barely here now, what makes you think it'll be around in a decade. CCSL is eating thier lunch. The State Cup and CT Cup are shells of thier former selves. What do they still do well? (honest question)

ODP....well, charging vast sums for ODP anyway

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It's a random draw. You guys are nuts.

And you have all been predicting the demise of the CJSA for years here. They are still there, doing their thing. They will be here for years going forward. Long after the regional clubs that are on top of the pyramid disappear.

Come back in 10-15 years and see for yourself.

You absolutely right. Within 24 months it will be a travel league only. They can focus on that and probably have good success. Horse is out of the barn on club the club soccer world.

It's a shame that it's gotten to this point. The reality is that you let the ECNL and GDA teams go and everyone could have a meaningful league in CT. They had it right a few years ago with a true divisional structure with relegation etc.

It's crazy that the second teams from the big clubs and squads like SCP and Sporting are traversing the Northeast for games. It's the race to nowhere. College coaches are chasing the top 40 kids in CT. How many of those players really play at FSA, CFC or OW at 15 and older?

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Sure is. It isn't the children who have placed themselves in those circumstances. If others chose not to participate , that's on them. The winners deserve just as much credit as anyone else , in any other competition.

Thanks new prez. Lol

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If you take CFC out of each bracket, what's left?

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For U12 girls, they should rename it the "CFC Branch Cup" because 8 out of 12 teams are CFC branches....yikes!

Lord, how much pocket change is this for CFC.

8 teams x 16 players per team x $1,500 per player
(a guess) = $192,000.

Not bad.

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Lord, how much pocket change is this for CFC.

8 teams x 16 players per team x $1,500 per player
(a guess) = $192,000.

Not bad.

You're being conservative with the $1500 per.

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You absolutely right. Within 24 months it will be a travel league only. They can focus on that and probably have good success. Horse is out of the barn on club the club soccer world.

It's a shame that it's gotten to this point. The reality is that you let the ECNL and GDA teams go and everyone could have a meaningful league in CT. They had it right a few years ago with a true divisional structure with relegation etc.

It's crazy that the second teams from the big clubs and squads like SCP and Sporting are traversing the Northeast for games. It's the race to nowhere. College coaches are chasing the top 40 kids in CT. How many of those players really play at FSA, CFC or OW at 15 and older?

I suspect that if you look in any state with a strong ECNL, NPL and academy presence, you will find the relationship between these clubs and their state organization much the same as it is here in CT. State organizations that coordinate the inter-club play of town based programs are not properly fitted to manage the regional type clubs. It doesn't mean they are badly run organizations. They are like our federal government. Their decision making authority lies within their member clubs. Thus they tend to move glacially on most matters. These regional leagues with national ties to independent governance, not affiliated with state associations, don't mesh with the focus and purpose of the state associations. It's the classic square peg and round hole situation.

The CJSA, as it exists today, still serves a useful purpose in the coordinating of the town based programs play with each other. It provides a solid source of liability insurance, relieving town clubs from some of that burden and costs. It coordinates referee certifications and manages the process of player registration and generally ensures town clubs play fairly with each other. All of this is essential and not within the scope of the clubs and leagues that play regionally and across multiple state lines.

Further, the regional leagues and clubs are all based on a for-profit business concept and act accordingly. State organizations, like town clubs, operate from a different perspective and are not driven by profit motives. The "business" of soccer will create ebbs and flows and ongoing change to these regional/national leagues and clubs. The dynamic will be different a decade from now as it was a decade ago. But state associations like the CJSA and town clubs that comprise their membership will continue to exist and provide the grass roots organization and introduction to soccer that remains vital to the health of our sport in this country.

This is why you can piss all you want on the CJSA. It will survive because it serves a different market and purpose than the organizations you use to denegrate it. ECNL, NPL or Academy....none of them can serve the needs and purpose of the grass roots soccer organizations that bring the kids to the game at 3 and 4 years old. They want nothing to do with that.

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You absolutely right. Within 24 months it will be a travel league only. They can focus on that and probably have good success. Horse is out of the barn on club the club soccer world.

It's a shame that it's gotten to this point. The reality is that you let the ECNL and GDA teams go and everyone could have a meaningful league in CT. They had it right a few years ago with a true divisional structure with relegation etc.

It's crazy that the second teams from the big clubs and squads like SCP and Sporting are traversing the Northeast for games. It's the race to nowhere. College coaches are chasing the top 40 kids in CT. How many of those players really play at FSA, CFC or OW at 15 and older?

This is just incorrect information. ECNL under US Club soccer is set up as an Affiliate of USSF , just as USYS and AYSO are. CJSA didn't " let them go " . US Club has been around quite a while, but recently they have been cherry picking specific vertical markets of Youth Socccer to contribute to their revenue structure. DAP and GDA are part of the National Governing body. Once again, CJSA did not " let them go ".

Since CJSA is a State Organization, they will continue to offer State Cup competition , which is a National Tournament that winners progress to Regionals and then National Championships if they are still around. The reality is that the vast majority of soccer parents in America aren't chasing the College Scholarship , but the Industry needs that perception in some of their models to continue to drive the revenue stream.

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You're being conservative with the $1500 per.

Oh lord

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Whenever I dread another drive to LI or wherever for my kids' regional team games, I remind myself of the teams left in CJSA and suddenly it doesn't feel so bad. I know many say "What if all the teams stayed?" Yes that would be great. But in reality for the higher level teams there's only a few and it wouldn't be enough competition. The exodus started awhile ago and it's not going to change. Some teams/clubs shouldn't be participating in regional leagues but they're trying to keep up with the Jones'

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Whenever I dread another drive to LI or wherever for my kids' regional team games, I remind myself of the teams left in CJSA and suddenly it doesn't feel so bad. I know many say "What if all the teams stayed?" Yes that would be great. But in reality for the higher level teams there's only a few and it wouldn't be enough competition. The exodus started awhile ago and it's not going to change. Some teams/clubs shouldn't be participating in regional leagues but they're trying to keep up with the Jones'

That's fine except you miss the key point. It isn't about you, and your "feelings". It is about the players, the children who participate. And with that being said, if the model the child participates in fills their needs , provides for them what they perceive the endeavor to deliver, than it is a successful excersise.

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Spotslyvania, VA is pretty nice, not are from Richmond and DC. It's not Barboursville, WV, which was never a good idea to host a regional event. Nice people, just a bad location.

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That's fine except you miss the key point. It isn't about you, and your "feelings". It is about the players, the children who participate. And with that being said, if the model the child participates in fills their needs , provides for them what they perceive the endeavor to deliver, than it is a successful excersise.

Easy - my kid thinks the in-state competition sucks. So there you go.

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I suspect that if you look in any state with a strong ECNL, NPL and academy presence, you will find the relationship between these clubs and their state organization much the same as it is here in CT. State organizations that coordinate the inter-club play of town based programs are not properly fitted to manage the regional type clubs. It doesn't mean they are badly run organizations. They are like our federal government. Their decision making authority lies within their member clubs. Thus they tend to move glacially on most matters. These regional leagues with national ties to independent governance, not affiliated with state associations, don't mesh with the focus and purpose of the state associations. It's the classic square peg and round hole situation.

The CJSA, as it exists today, still serves a useful purpose in the coordinating of the town based programs play with each other. It provides a solid source of liability insurance, relieving town clubs from some of that burden and costs. It coordinates referee certifications and manages the process of player registration and generally ensures town clubs play fairly with each other. All of this is essential and not within the scope of the clubs and leagues that play regionally and across multiple state lines.

Further, the regional leagues and clubs are all based on a for-profit business concept and act accordingly. State organizations, like town clubs, operate from a different perspective and are not driven by profit motives. The "business" of soccer will create ebbs and flows and ongoing change to these regional/national leagues and clubs. The dynamic will be different a decade from now as it was a decade ago. But state associations like the CJSA and town clubs that comprise their membership will continue to exist and provide the grass roots organization and introduction to soccer that remains vital to the health of our sport in this country.

This is why you can piss all you want on the CJSA. It will survive because it serves a different market and purpose than the organizations you use to denegrate it. ECNL, NPL or Academy....none of them can serve the needs and purpose of the grass roots soccer organizations that bring the kids to the game at 3 and 4 years old. They want nothing to do with that.

Thank you cjsa prez. You clearly don't have a clue and that's why cjsa is falling apart. Hiring none soccer people

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Easy - my kid thinks the in-state competition sucks. So there you go.

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If your child is a participant and has that opinion , then you have failed by not having your child at the appopriate level.