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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThe snow balling starts at 16 and picks up speed in the college years. Most high level European pros have spent years being a professional from 15 onward. The college years is when many of them are making or breaking into first teams
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostOP here and obviously I completely agree. Problem is, what can be done about it? at 16+ virtually no US parent is going to allow their kids to ignore academics. Abroad kids are theoretically still in school but if they sign with a club, school pretty much goes out the window. Academies also toss out thousands of young players who can't make the grade, then those young men are left with no career and a poor education. Since few US players could make a top international squad, the best opportunities are here in the US with MLS. But most middle to upper class soccer families (face it, that's who most of soccer is) won't ever pass up a substantial college scholarship for lousy MLS rookie pay. One option is the club guarantees a verifiable scholarship amount so that if they want to go to college after their career ends that money is there. What else? Better rookie pay?
Viable second division
Residential academies
Deferred scholarships
Requirements and incentives to play first team minutes for U23 players
Solidarity payments
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostOP here and obviously I completely agree. Problem is, what can be done about it? at 16+ virtually no US parent is going to allow their kids to ignore academics. Abroad kids are theoretically still in school but if they sign with a club, school pretty much goes out the window. Academies also toss out thousands of young players who can't make the grade, then those young men are left with no career and a poor education. Since few US players could make a top international squad, the best opportunities are here in the US with MLS. But most middle to upper class soccer families (face it, that's who most of soccer is) won't ever pass up a substantial college scholarship for lousy MLS rookie pay. One option is the club guarantees a verifiable scholarship amount so that if they want to go to college after their career ends that money is there. What else? Better rookie pay?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostOP here and obviously I completely agree. Problem is, what can be done about it? at 16+ virtually no US parent is going to allow their kids to ignore academics. Abroad kids are theoretically still in school but if they sign with a club, school pretty much goes out the window. Academies also toss out thousands of young players who can't make the grade, then those young men are left with no career and a poor education. Since few US players could make a top international squad, the best opportunities are here in the US with MLS. But most middle to upper class soccer families (face it, that's who most of soccer is) won't ever pass up a substantial college scholarship for lousy MLS rookie pay. One option is the club guarantees a verifiable scholarship amount so that if they want to go to college after their career ends that money is there. What else? Better rookie pay?
Soccer is an elite sport (such as tennis) and can't be supported in the development stages by the exact players who would become pros.
{free} MLS residential academies would fix that given the age of entry wouldn't shut out the lower classes again.
In the USA the wealthy want it all. They want to hog the sports spotlight then shaft them to go - admittedly where they belong- to college.
Let's hear from the poor little rich parents now how they're always being targeted.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThis is exactly the USA detriment at hand.
Soccer is an elite sport (such as tennis) and can't be supported in the development stages by the exact players who would become pros.
{free} MLS residential academies would fix that given the age of entry wouldn't shut out the lower classes again.
In the USA the wealthy want it all. They want to hog the sports spotlight then shaft them to go - admittedly where they belong- to college.
Let's hear from the poor little rich parents now how they're always being targeted.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostBut as said before, MLS clubs get so little benefit out of running DA teams to begin with, let alone running residential academies. US laws aren't going to change just so teams can make more money from kids they develop. Not surprisingly not many parents want to send their kids away either, or trust a club or questionable school to educate their kids.
Therein lies the difference. No opportunity for athletes such as Beckham, Ronaldo, Messi, et al coming from lower class families.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostNot rich elites destined for college, anyway.
Therein lies the difference. No opportunity for athletes such as Beckham, Ronaldo, Messi, et al coming from lower class families.
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Good article in the (failing) NY Times about Pachuca, the Mexican club of Hirving (Chucky) Lozano. Key grafs below:
“They are a factory churning out good players,’’ said Hérculez Gómez, a former star for the United States national team who spent several years playing in the top Mexican league, including briefly with Pachuca.
The club has 16 scouts across Mexico and a tryout system to hunt the best prospects, occasionally finding them in the United States. Like other Mexican clubs, Pachuca offers scholarships for housing, training and academics. (Lozano is still enrolled at the university through online courses; he is studying physical education.)
“What we really want is for them to amass the 10,000 hours to become an expert,” Garcés said, referring to a belief among some social scientists that it takes that long to master something. “By the time they’re 18, they have those 10,000 hours.”
Once players are admitted to the club, Pachuca seeks to funnel them through the ranks to its team in the nation’s top-flight league, Liga MX, or to other teams, and sometimes to bigger professional leagues, including those in Europe.
Pachuca had netted more than $100 million from the sale of players over the past four years. And 65 of Pachuca’s 250 players were on national teams of all levels.
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And compare that to what our BDA boys do. That is why we will never be a soccer powerhouse. The handful of US clubs that have started residency programs aren't sufficient to make a big difference, plus they can't make the same kind of money off home growns the way international clubs can. Clubs can only afford to invest so much in youth development and some don't want to invest any. The annual costs to develop 80-100 players to get one home grown every few years makes little financial sense.
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